Comments Thread For: Whyte: Joshua is Afraid To Take Rematch, Won't Risk His Retirement Payday With Wilder

[PRINCEKOOL]

Yeh, Jermaine was probably in better shape against josh then he was against WHyte, when losing to whyte. Josh would beat Whyte now easier than last time im sure. But maybe not as good as fury though. THis josh is a bit more cautious now. But i dont see whyte as a very dangerous fight for josh, rather than a good warm up which is what josh might need.

Whyte vs Joshua II, is actually good match making for Joshua.

People need to understand that Joshua has no belts, and is under no obligation to fight Tyson Fury's competition for him.

The reason why I say that, is because? On the sly mate, that is why Fury's hardcore fans constantly mock and demean Joshua's potential fights.

Fury's hardcore fans want Joshua to fight off Fury's competition for him 'Zhang & Joyce were two fighters they have been demanding Joshua must face for sometime'.

Joshua can charted his own path back towards a title fight, and if Whyte vs Joshua II is on that path 'Then that is a good fight'.

Unlike Chisora vs Fury III. Whyte and Joshua are not mates, and there is a genuine rivalry there where? It is about street credit within their community.

I personally think Joshua wins the fight impressively. Whyte will fancy his chances, and you can tell even now 'That Whyte will attempt to push Joshua about outside the ring'.

I don't rate the fight as a World level fight. But it is a big pressure fight for Joshua.

Getting two comeback wins on his resume, against fighters who are actually training with the intention 100% to win 'This is all good momentum Joshua'.

Wilder & Fury's last fights were against fighters who in my opinion were not competing to win 100% 'Definitely that was the case with Derek Chisora'.

Anthony Joshua is not even currently right now a World Champion, but if his next fight is against Whyte 'Then his two comeback fights are at in and around the same level of Fury's last two fights'.

I don't think this is a Super Great achievement. But what it does show is that, Fury's hardcore fans need to pipe down 'When it comes to mocking and demeaning another fighters competition' etc.

[P4Pdunny]

Whyte gets KO’d by AJ quicker this time.

[TheIronMike]

Based on Whyte's performances against Fury and Franklin, Joshua knocks him out again inbetween 7-9

[bullydean]

The comment about Joshua never beating anyone or not wanting marquee fights is something I strongly disagree with. I just don't believe those comments are reflective of Joshua's career.

Joshua unified the division; that's an indication of him wanting big fight's. Now you could critic the competition but other heavyweights did not take the risk in unifying the division.

Furthermore, Joshua has beaten plenty of credible names from Povetkin, Parker, Pulev, Whyte, Ruiz, and Wladimir.

To clarify my position, I do not think Joshua is an all time great heavyweight but he's not a bad or average heavyweight either; he's a great heavyweight in this era.

The only credible names on that list are Ruiz, Vladimir, and Parker.

Povetkin was past his prime and on his way out.
Pulev was trash by the time he fought a prime Vladimir.
And let's face it Whyte was never elite at any stage in his career.
But let's take a look at the other three. Vladimir while still a good fighter when he fought AJ was past his prime and expected to lose. While people hate the Fury vs Klitschko fight you have to admit Fury breezed through the fight pretty easily.
Ruiz was a fat nobody that was a cherry pick gone wrong. His biggest achievement was a close 12 round loss to Parker. Ruiz was also expected to lose. Ruiz has gone on to beat a washed up Arreola and 50 y/o Ortiz.
Parker while a decent boxer has no power. The man pulverized Joyce's face and head and left no damage. Parker was doing a decent job against AJ.

I think it's fair to say AJ is a good fighter. You're right that he isn't great and he isn't average but to say he took risk is not true. AJ never fought a killer, at least intentionally, and the fact he isn't willing to now further proves that point.

[bullydean]

Whyte vs Joshua II, is actually good match making for Joshua.

People need to understand that Joshua has no belts, and is under no obligation to fight Tyson Fury's competition for him.

The reason why I say that, is because? On the sly mate, that is why Fury's hardcore fans constantly mock and demean Joshua's potential fights.

Fury's hardcore fans want Joshua to fight off Fury's competition for him 'Zhang & Joyce were two fighters they have been demanding Joshua must face for sometime'.

Joshua can charted his own path back towards a title fight, and if Whyte vs Joshua II is on that path 'Then that is a good fight'.

Unlike Chisora vs Fury III. Whyte and Joshua are not mates, and there is a genuine rivalry there where? It is about street credit within their community.

I personally think Joshua wins the fight impressively. Whyte will fancy his chances, and you can tell even now 'That Whyte will attempt to push Joshua about outside the ring'.

I don't rate the fight as a World level fight. But it is a big pressure fight for Joshua.

Getting two comeback wins on his resume, against fighters who are actually training with the intention 100% to win 'This is all good momentum Joshua'.

Wilder & Fury's last fights were against fighters who in my opinion were not competing to win 100% 'Definitely that was the case with Derek Chisora'.

Anthony Joshua is not even currently right now a World Champion, but if his next fight is against Whyte 'Then his two comeback fights are at in and around the same level of Fury's last two fights'.

I don't think this is a Super Great achievement. But what it does show is that, Fury's hardcore fans need to pipe down 'When it comes to mocking and demeaning another fighters competition' etc.

I agree. AJ has no one else left to fight that would bring in decent revenue while presenting some sort of challenge as a tune up.

A rematch with Andy would be a risky but major fight rather than a tune up which I imagine will happen if AJ loses to Wilder.
A fight against Wallin would be a great tune up to measure AJ's progress and state for a bigger fight against Fury or Usyk but it's high risk fight with low sales.
Hrogvic is there but he probably has less appeal than Whyte and possibly Wallin.

Whyte is the only sensible route for a tune up before Wilder.

[unknowledgeablepugilist]

The only credible names on that list are Ruiz, Vladimir, and Parker.

Povetkin was past his prime and on his way out.
Pulev was trash by the time he fought a prime Vladimir.
And let's face it Whyte was never elite at any stage in his career.
But let's take a look at the other three. Vladimir while still a good fighter when he fought AJ was past his prime and expected to lose. While people hate the Fury vs Klitschko fight you have to admit Fury breezed through the fight pretty easily.
Ruiz was a fat nobody that was a cherry pick gone wrong. His biggest achievement was a close 12 round loss to Parker. Ruiz was also expected to lose. Ruiz has gone on to beat a washed up Arreola and 50 y/o Ortiz.
Parker while a decent boxer has no power. The man pulverized Joyce's face and head and left no damage. Parker was doing a decent job against AJ.

I think it's fair to say AJ is a good fighter. You're right that he isn't great and he isn't average but to say he took risk is not true. AJ never fought a killer, at least intentionally, and the fact he isn't willing to now further proves that point.

It's incredibly easy to do what you just did for any fighter to just pick holes in the resume with worthless criticism.

All the men I listed were ranked within the top ten when Joshua faced them, that automatically make's them credible opposition. Is the age of Wladimir, Povetkin, or Pulev an issue? No because it's a common occurrence in the heavyweight division. Fan's like to be selective in their criticism but the argument about age is applicable to Fury and Wilder's competition.

Furthermore, having power doesn't make someone a good or bad fighter nor does losing a fight. All I ask is a fighter fights credible opposition consistently, which Joshua did. I think opinions based on hindsight or feelings are pointless in a sport where facts are readily available. From my perspective, Joshua took risk's in unifying and taking on credible opposition consistently.

I could use hindsight, narratives, and opinions to discredit the majority of the fighters in the hall of fame.

[Nash out]

Based on Whyte's performances against Fury and Franklin, Joshua knocks him out again inbetween 7-9

I'd expect that to be the case as well, but Joshua is so terrified of anything at all coming back at him now. That's why he doesn't seem as powerful, it's because he commits 80% to his shots now, and not 100%, because he is so fearful of being hit, he compromises his own attack (his best weapon) to try and keep himself safe. Nash out

[PRINCEKOOL]

I agree. AJ has no one else left to fight that would bring in decent revenue while presenting some sort of challenge as a tune up.

A rematch with Andy would be a risky but major fight rather than a tune up which I imagine will happen if AJ loses to Wilder.
A fight against Wallin would be a great tune up to measure AJ's progress and state for a bigger fight against Fury or Usyk but it's high risk fight with low sales.
Hrogvic is there but he probably has less appeal than Whyte and possibly Wallin.

Whyte is the only sensible route for a tune up before Wilder.

I have also always thought that a rematch with Ruiz Junior again, is another good fight for Joshua.

In makes a lot of sense for his journey in the game. There is a rivalry there and a theme.

Joshua did beat Ruiz Junior 12-0 easy in the second fight. But if there would be a rematch, the aim should be to beat Ruiz Junior down systematically.

Whyte II, Ruiz Junior III 'These are all good meaningful fights for Joshua'.

They are fights that build momentum for him personally 'Wallin is a fight which means nothing much, it has no story of theme. The match up does not have the theatrical depth of ether Whyte II or Ruiz Junior III'.

Fights like Hrogvic WOULD be a good fight to make if he was a Champion 'But as you know, he has no belts'.

Therefor Joshua and his team can be creative, make fights that have a deeper meaning than just rankings.

Note: Tyson Fury is still trying to make fights, as if he was still a contender 'This is how Fury prefer's to operate, and that is why I personally have always believed that he does not really like being a Champion'.

Fury does not like the requirements which come with being a Champion, even you know that mate 'If you are honest' etc.

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Whyte doesn't deserve a shot at any of the big dawgs in the division, as far as i'm concerned he lost to Franklin.

Dillian needs to fight and beat a top contender to earn a Joshua shot.

[Monty Fisto]

Whyte says Joshua doesn't want to risk his retirement payday with Wilder, but all I hear is Whyte begging for a retirement payday against Joshua. Nobody wanted this fight when they thought it might be happening. I maintain it's just about OK as a stay busy fight provided Joshua fights Wilder at the end of the year. If Joshua doesn't fight Whyte but does fight Wilder, that's fine as well. Joshua vs Wilder is a fight I want to see.