Comments Thread For: For Devin Haney and Vasiliy Lomachenko, Timing Is Everything

[Cypocryphy]

I actually like Rolly because he has made the most within his limitations, actually better than some boxers that are technically better but let's be real here.. Haney is levels above Rolly

Yeah. lol That reminds me of something. This morning I saw a MillCity Boxing interview with Joseph Adorno. There was some other guy there that compared Rolly to Shawn Porter, saying Rolly is the new Shawn Porter. I have never heard something more disrespectful than that. How anyone can compare Porter to Rolly is mind boggling. Porter nearly beat Spence. Every loss Porter had, except against Crawford, could have gone either way. Shawn Porter was on the brink of being a legend of the sport. People man ... so many people don't have a clue.

[Cypocryphy]

The question is how much does Loma has left? I ask that question because Haney is not a choir boy. I know that meaning of you have questioned is heart and toughness. However, let me ask you all this one question?

How many of his opponents have actually pushed Devin to the point of where he had to bring that dog out, bite down and dig deep? Not many because he can fight.

Therefore. Loma must bring his A game in order to win this one. While the fight could go either way. I am slightly leaning towards Haney to win.

Ultimately it is going to come down to the man who wants it the most. If Hi-Tech wants it then he is going to have to take it because Haney is not going to lay down for him.

One thing is for certain. Devin Haney is a far cry from his previous opponent Jamaine Ortiz. He is on a totally different level.

Linares did that to Devin. And we saw what happened. Devin went into full panic mode and needed the referee to help him out. Had Mora deducted a point for excessive holding, like he should have, then Haney would have had a majority decision. Also, had Haney been reprimanded for holding, it would have mean that Linares would have likely landed that right hand again and put Haney down.

So I can say right now that Linares pushed Haney to have to dig down deep and he couldn't do it without Russell Mora saving his ass.

[champion4ever]

This guy Haney reminds me of R.Garcia in that he wanted so bad to fight G.Davis he kept asking for it, and asking for it, like it was his only reason to be in the fight game. Well he got it and then some. Look at the experience and fights that have led up to this match up. It tells the same story, and now that he has got the fight and he will have to fight Saturday Night he has already reached his potential, it is all down hill from here. He has reached his level and will be exposed for what he is not.
Everybody gets marketed in this boxing business, it is a natural fact of boxing to imply otherwise would be to detract from the truth of the fight game, Promotion of a fighter is a game, the game stops when two fighters get in the ring, that is when it gets real not before not after but in the moment of the fight. He has has a lot of promo in his life Haney as has Lomo. just a fact of boxing. I look at this quote this " i am not going to lose no more" and i read it but i hear something different he said did he not say " i am never going to lose to a white man" he said that to draw attention on himself ? He said that to try and build his character up ? Well now you are going to be beaten not so much by a white man as by a better man then yourself on Saturday NIght. Enjoy the money because your time is almost up.

Well Loma is going to have to take some risks in order to win this fight. He better bring ass in order to get ass. He already quit once against Teofimo and chances are he could most certainly do it again. If he doesn't come to fight; Then Devin will just dissect the living shit out of him by picking him apart from the outside with his jab.

[champion4ever]

WTF is the matter with you??!!

LOL,

[champion4ever]

Yup. Haney was getting clocked cleanly over and over by Jojo Diaz. Lomachenko has an enormous skills advantage here.

JoJo Diaz hardly won more than three rounds in that entire fight against Haney because he was just simply too afraid of getting his ass whupped. He didn't even attempt to take the necessary risks in that fight against Devin Haney.

He was afraid of an impending ass whupping if he would have stayed inside too long against Devin and I am expecting Loma to do the very same thing.

I expect him to attempt to win at least two to three rounds in this fight just in order to save face before mentally checking out like JoJo Diaz did.

[Cypocryphy]

JoJo Diaz hardly won more than three rounds in that entire fight against Haney because he was just simply too afraid of getting his ass whupped. He didn't even attempt to take the necessary risks in that fight against Devin Haney.

He was afraid of an impending ass whupping if he would have stayed inside too long against Devin and I am expecting Loma to do the very same thing.

I expect him to attempt to win at least two to three rounds in this fight just in order to save face before mentally checking out like JoJo Diaz did.

What? JoJo Diaz nearly pulled off the upset if we're scoring it correctly. Diaz landed more jabs on Haney than Haney on JoJo. Plus, I think Haney landed one real good shot on JoJo but JoJo cracked Haney hard multiple times. Those scorecards don't reflect what happened in the ring. Just look at those Combubox numbers.

[ColdBlooded]

JoJo Diaz hardly won more than three rounds in that entire fight against Haney because he was just simply too afraid of getting his ass whupped. He didn't even attempt to take the necessary risks in that fight against Devin Haney.

He was afraid of an impending ass whupping if he would have stayed inside too long against Devin and I am expecting Loma to do the very same thing.

I expect him to attempt to win at least two to three rounds in this fight just in order to save face before mentally checking out like JoJo Diaz did.

If you don't realize that Lomachenko is vastly better than JoJo, don't know what to tell you. And when JoJo got inside, he had things his way with Haney.

[champion4ever]

Linares did that to Devin. And we saw what happened. Devin went into full panic mode and needed the referee to help him out. Had Mora deducted a point for excessive holding, like he should have, then Haney would have had a majority decision. Also, had Haney been reprimanded for holding, it would have mean that Linares would have likely landed that right hand again and put Haney down.

So I can say right now that Linares pushed Haney to have to dig down deep and he couldn't do it without Russell Mora saving his ass.

A fighter must be a voluntary participant in order to allow his opponent to hug and mug him all night and that is exactly what Jorge did. After that single punch; He didn't do Jack shit for the balance of the fight.

Not once did he ever attempt to follow up on that punch. Which is why the referee refused to break them up; Because he noticed that Linares had become a willing participant to that hug fest.

Jorge Linares never attempted to punch out of those clinches perhaps due to fatigue.

[Cypocryphy]

A fighter must be a voluntary participant in order to allow his opponent to hug and mug him all night and that is exactly what Jorge did. After that single punch; He didn't do Jack shit for the balance of the fight.

Not once did he ever attempt to follow up on that punch. Which is why the referee refused to break them up; Because he noticed that Linares had become a willing participant to that hug fest.

Jorge Linares never attempted to punch out of those clinches perhaps due to fatigue.

Yeah. I agree. There's some truth to that. Look at my gif below. You can see Linares blinding HIMSELF with his high guard. Had he been watching Haney, he could have caught him coming in like that. So I do agree with what you are saying. Regardless, Linares was trying to get him off and fight, and that was Mora's job to warn Haney and then take a point off if he continued to hold.

[angkag]

I think there's two wrong assumptions for this fight IMO: 1. That Haney is levels above Loma, 2. that Loma is as good as his last fight. Haney is very skilled with a physical advantage but I think Loma's footwork is better and can close the distance. Unless Loma is shot to pieces, he is way better than his last fight (Haney is smart enough to know this) where he was fighting his sparring partner and came in rusty from the war in Ukraine. Having said that, I think it'll be a close fight for either side

Good points. A couple of things come to my mind with this fight.

1) Loma's ongoing injuries. For me his decline is linked to the shoulder and hand issues he's had, and he may come into the fight carrying something that limits his output. If that is the case, Haney wins.

2) Loma has had a habit of starting too slowly and I suspect he won't do that this time. That means he'll be taking risks early, which should add to it being a fun fight.

3) Loma has long said his dream was undisputed at 135. This is his last shot, and can expect him to give everything he has in what may possibly be his last fight (can see him hanging them up win or lose). Add that to point 2 and Loma's going to bring it.

4) The ref will play a crucial part. Haney's size will enable him to throw and fall in to smother, and its a case of how much the ref allows him to hold. As we know, Loma plays to the ref on holding and his team likely to lean on the ref hard pre-fight to manage it. We'll see. I don't see Haney having the pop to keep Loma cautious (like Teo had) and he's going to need to clinch more every time Loma gets close enough to throw - enter ref again.

Can see the first couple rounds going Haney's way, next couple getting more interesting once Loma goes up the gears, then the rest of the fight being increasingly untidy. Can't see either winning by ko, possibly an MD one way or the other and a lot of barking on this site about who should have won (unless point 1..Loma carrying something, which 50/50).

So I guess add it all up and its advantage Haney.