Comments Thread For: Froch: Anthony Joshua is Past His Best, He's Probably Got No Real Legacy

[PRINCEKOOL]

As usual Fury gets brought into the discussion when he first fought Chisora he was undefeated and the 3rd fight was clearly to give del boy a payday when Joshua pulled out so that reasoning has got old for ppl who aren’t idiots.

Froch is partially right even though he’s hating if you analyse Joshuas resume you will see all his best “named” wins were old men in decline by the time he got to them other than Whyte.

People will just say anything to hate on Fury these days just shows how gullible people are i love how Fury keeps winding everybody up.

The first Chisora fight was a close fight, and both fighters were domestic level fighters. The second Chisora fight was another good solid fight, but? Chisora has already been beaten by Kiltschko, and David Haye was the first fighter to spark Chisora out.

The 3rd Chisora fight was ranking wise, not really a warranted fight. But it was good match making from team Fury, for a ticking over fight.

Chisora was essentially semi-retired by the time he fought Fury III.

Outside of Kiltschko & Wilder, it is a fact that Fury is not a experienced fighter at World or Elite level 'And this lack of experience skill for skill could theoretically show up, when he eventually fights another World to Elite level fighter besides Deontay Wilder'.

Note: I still ranked Fury as the number 1 Heavyweight on Merritt 'Due to having the two best wins on his record, Kiltschko & Wilder'.

But his hardcore fans and just in general people in boxing needs to acknowledge that, when you really analyse his resume? It lacks in depth, and Fury is actually a inexperienced fighter at Top level.

Joshua & Usyk over the whole span of their career are by far more experienced fighters at World & Elite level win or lose etc.

[Kzbox]

The first Chisora fight was a close fight, and both fighters were domestic level fighters. The second Chisora fight was another good solid fight, but? Chisora has already been beaten by Kiltschko, and David Haye was the first fighter to spark Chisora out.

The 3rd Chisora fight was ranking wise, not really a warranted fight. But it was good match making from team Fury, for a ticking over fight.

Chisora was essentially semi-retired by the time he fought Fury III.

Outside of Kiltschko & Wilder, it is a fact that Fury is not a experienced fighter at World or Elite level 'And this lack of experience skill for skill could theoretically show up, when he eventually fights another World to Elite level fighter besides Deontay Wilder'.

Note: I still ranked Fury as the number 1 Heavyweight on Merritt 'Due to having the two best wins on his record, Kiltschko & Wilder'.

But his hardcore fans and just in general people in boxing needs to acknowledge that, when you really analyse his resume? It lacks in depth, and Fury is actually a inexperienced fighter at Top level.

Joshua & Usyk over the whole span of their career are by far more experienced fighters at World & Elite level win or lose etc.

Well he beat a 10 year undefeated Klitschko who was older i will admit but he was still not showing signs of major decline until Fury put on a show that night but people will refuse to give him credit but in the same vein praise AJ for beating a 2 year laid off last defeated by Fury Klitschko who he almost lost to might i add.

He's also beaten the rank 3 (Ranked above AJ) heavyweight 3 times but i guess rankings only matter what it suits the narrative, Furys resume is no worse than AJs if not better as i say people are just sheep and follow with what the popular opinion is and when you don't go with the system you get called a fanboy and other such nonsense.

AJ's resume is full of people who were actually showing decline by the time he fought them AJ just has one of the best PR teams in the world who have done wonders to shape his image as some kind of monster until he got taken down by an obese Ruiz.

[PRINCEKOOL]

Well he beat a 10 year undefeated Klitschko who was older i will admit but he was still not showing signs of major decline until Fury put on a show that night but people will refuse to give him credit but in the same vein praise AJ for beating a 2 year laid off last defeated by Fury Klitschko who he almost lost to might i add.

He's also beaten the rank 3 (Ranked above AJ) heavyweight 3 times but i guess rankings only matter what it suits the narrative, Furys resume is no worse than AJs if not better as i say people are just sheep and follow with what the popular opinion is and when you don't go with the system you get called a fanboy and other such nonsense.

AJ's resume is full of people who were actually showing decline by the time he fought them AJ just has one of the best PR teams in the world who have done wonders to shape his image as some kind of monster until he got taken down by an obese Ruiz.

Skill for skill Fury has not fought at Elite level for 7-8 years.

Wilder was a elite level fight, but no boxing purist would? Rate Wilder technically as a elite level fighter.

No disrespect to Wilder, because I rate him extremely highly as a fighter 'The man is good at what he is good at'.

This is where the lack of experience comes into play for Fury 'This is what I am referring to'.

Technically to beat Wilder is not rocket science, it is not really a test of skill 'It is more a test of courage, durability and resolve'.

Anthony Joshua objectively is a more experienced fighter than Fury, he has fought more World to Elite level fighters skill for skill consecutively.

Kiltschko, Takam, Parker, Povetkin, Pulev, Ruiz Junior twice, Usyk twice. Skill for skill these are all ether World or elite level fights.

Whyte, Breazeale, Charles Martin < These are just solid fights.

Wladimir Kiltschko was not laid off for 2 years, before he fought Joshua. Kiltschko had endured 3 back to back training camps, due to Tyson Fury unfortunately continually pulling out of their rematch. Kiltschko weighed in at 240 pounds vs Joshua, compared to 245 pounds vs Fury. And technically the time frame from Fury to the Joshua fight was 17-18 months 'Wladimir Kiltschko has stated that he was better prepared, and in better condition for the Joshua fight'.

If you analyse Fury's resume, outside of Kiltschko & Wilder he has mainly fought at domestic to high end European level 'This is just a fact mate, and you know this. That is why you are attempting to devalue Joshua's resume'.

Note: You are mocking Joshua's lost to Ruiz Junior. The fact remains once again? That Ruiz Junior was and still is a World level fighter.

Joshua beat Ruiz Junior `12-0 easy in the rematch. Tyson Fury is also compared to past Heavyweights is a obese fighter 'So you best kind pipe down with that type of talk'.

Ruiz Junior is still a World level fighter right now, but when Joshua fought and beat him 'He was a better fighter'.

Tyson Fury currently right now, looks to be not even fighting this version of Ruiz Junior. Which I think is a good fight for Fury stylistically, and one that he will win etc.

[Kzbox]

Skill for skill Fury has not fought at Elite level for 7-8 years.

Wilder was a elite level fight, but no boxing purist would? Rate Wilder technically as a elite level fighter.

No disrespect to Wilder, because I rate him extremely highly as a fighter 'The man is good at what he is good at'.

This is where the lack of experience comes into play for Fury 'This is what I am referring to'.

Technically to beat Wilder is not rocket science, it is not really a test of skill 'It is more a test of courage, durability and resolve'.

Anthony Joshua objectively is a more experienced fighter than Fury, he has fought more World to Elite level fighters skill for skill consecutively.

Kiltschko, Takam, Parker, Povetkin, Pulev, Ruiz Junior twice, Usyk twice. Skill for skill these are all ether World or elite level fights.

Whyte, Breazeale, Charles Martin < These are just solid fights.

Wladimir Kiltschko was not laid off for 2 years, before he fought Joshua. Kiltschko had endured 3 back to back training camps, due to Tyson Fury unfortunately continually pulling out of their rematch. Kiltschko weighed in at 240 pounds vs Joshua, compared to 245 pounds vs Fury. And technically the time frame from Fury to the Joshua fight was 17-18 months 'Wladimir Kiltschko has stated that he was better prepared, and in better condition for the Joshua fight'.

If you analyse Fury's resume, outside of Kiltschko & Wilder he has mainly fought at domestic to high end European level 'This is just a fact mate, and you know this. That is why you are attempting to devalue Joshua's resume'.

Note: You are mocking Joshua's lost to Ruiz Junior. The fact remains once again? That Ruiz Junior was and still is a World level fighter.

Joshua beat Ruiz Junior `12-0 easy in the rematch. Tyson Fury is also compared to past Heavyweights is a obese fighter 'So you best kind pipe down with that type of talk'.

Ruiz Junior is still a World level fighter right now, but when Joshua fought and beat him 'He was a better fighter'.

Tyson Fury currently right now, looks to be not even fighting this version of Ruiz Junior. Which I think is a good fight for Fury stylistically, and one that he will win etc.

Parker just lost to very min skilled Joe Joyce and made no adjustments whatsoever, Klitschko Fury beat the better version of as i say he was 41 years old and 2 years out of the ring when AJ fought him, Takam is not an elite world level fighter he has 7 losses himself.

As i say can twist these narratives whoever you like to suit what you want to get across bottom line is context matters and AJ's resume is overrated af the only true Elite he come across (Usyk) beat his ass lets see if he can beat Wilder then we will see whats what.

[hugh grant]

Not all the on paper big 4 have fought, so it's hard to make blanket statements now.
Is Usy k legacy sealed with only Josh wins? Well, wilder not best anyone so his legacy must be below joshs? Don't fury need to beat usy k and josh?
it's all to play for, as of now no-one has got a real legacy, their careers are incomplete!

[PRINCEKOOL]

Parker just lost to very min skilled Joe Joyce and made no adjustments whatsoever, Klitschko Fury beat the better version of as i say he was 42 years old and 2 years out of the ring when AJ fought him, Takam is not an elite world level fighter he has 7 losses himself.

As i say can twist these narratives whoever you like to suit what you want to get across bottom line is context matters and AJ's resume is overrated af the only true Elite he come across (Usyk) beat his ass lets see if he can beat Wilder then we will see whats what.

Parker is a former WBO world Champion 'And undefeated when Joshua beat him'. Anthony Joshua has objectively fought more World level fighters than Tyson Fury 'This is a objective fact'.

Whether they have went on to win or lose after they fought Joshua is irreverent. When Joshua fought them, they were ranked as World level fighters. That is why it is a historical fact that Joshua is a more experienced fighter than Fury at fighting at World & Elite level.

• Otto Wallin when Tyson Fury fought him? Was a domestic to European level fighter, and even NOW TODAY is barely a World level fighter.
• Steve USS Cunnningham when Tyson Fury fought him, had not even faced a Heavyweight fighter 'Therefore he cannot be classed as a World level Heavyweight, when Fury fought him'.
• Derek Chisora was only really a World level fighter, when Tyson Fury fought him during their second fight.
• Dillian Whyte was barely a World level fighter, by the time he got his title fight against Fury. Whyte had already been ****** out by Joshua, and had suffered a knock-out loss coming into that fight.
• Schwarz is also a domestic to European level fighter 'Along with Seferi'.

This is Tyson Fury's activity outside of Kiltschko and Wilder mate, it is up to yourself whether you want to honestly acknowledge the level of this fighting or not. But most people with a conscience and who understand boxing 'Full well know that Tyson Fury, outside of Kiltschko & Wilder has mostly fought at domestic to European level etc'.

Who is Tyson Fury fighting next mate?

[Kzbox]

Parker lost to Whyte who people call a bum and who people give 0 credit to Fury for knocking out so how is he elite exactly? u just said yourself Whyte is barely world level yet Parker lost to him but he's elite? make it make sense dude as i said the PR machine was in full force with AJ he beat no PRIME elite fighter just older guys and fringe level contenders.

hugh grant is kind of right nobody knows who truly is top dog until they all fight but AJs resume isn't amazing so Froch is right in regards to this thread.

[PRINCEKOOL]

Not so fast to respond to that post are you mate?

You need to stop lying and betraying yourself. It is not benefiting you.

It is correct to acknowledge Fury's big wins. But to blatantly lie, recreate history and mock other fighters resumes 'Just to protect Fury, is not at all good for you'.

To be a hardcore Fury fan, I have stated this before. You have to betray yourself on a weekly basis 'Especially right now during this stage of his career as a Champion'.

There is no other way to be a Fury fan, and have a debate with this air of arrogance that he is miles superior to every other active fighter 'Or past Heavyweight fighter'.

You quite simply have to make stuff up, recreate history and betray yourself. In order to keep realigning yourself with whatever games Fury is playing as a Champion of late.

Note: Apparently the Usyk fight was easy and straight forward to make 'Fury backed out of that fight twice'. And then Fury tried to run a opportunistic move vs Joshua offering him a fight at short notice and during a extremely vulnerable time in his career 'Fury still completely sabotaged that fight as well during negotiations'.

Tyson Fury is a greater fighter, and I do personally ranked him as the number 1 Heavyweight on merit 'But he has not been a great Champion, and I don't rate him very highly a Champion'.

Kzbox

[Kzbox]

Not so fast to respond to that post are you mate?

You need to stop lying and betraying yourself. It is not benefiting you.

It is correct to acknowledge Fury's big wins. But to blatantly lie, recreate history and mock other fighters resumes 'Just to protect Fury, is not at all good for you'.

To be a hardcore Fury fan, I have stated this before. You have to betray yourself on a weekly basis 'Especially right now during this stage of his career as a Champion'.

There is no other way to be a Fury fan, and have a debate with this air of arrogance that he is miles superior to every other active fighter 'Or past Heavyweight fighter'.

You quite simply have to make stuff up, recreate history and betray yourself. In order to keep realigning yourself with whatever games Fury is playing as a Champion of late.

Note: Apparently the Usyk fight was easy and straight forward to make 'Fury backed out of that fight twice'. And then Fury tried to run a opportunistic move vs Joshua offering him a fight at short notice and during a extremely vulnerable time in his career 'Fury still completely sabotaged that fight as well during negotiations'.

Tyson Fury is a greater fighter, and I do personally ranked him as the number 1 Heavyweight on merit 'But he has not been a great Champion, and I don't rate him very highly a Champion'.

Kzbox

Not that at all every time i tried to quote u i got error 403 something to do with your formatting probz same way u didnt directly quote me? i dont know got some funky coding i tried to post it like 5 times.

How am i lying man you just twisted up your own self saying Parker is elite then in the next breath saying Whyte isn't but Parker lost to him just doesn't make sense.

I'm not saying Furys resume is Canelo levels or anything just simply saying he's the one who took out 10 year undefeated Klitschko not AJ and he's the one who beat the ring ranked number 3 in Wilder several times the rest of their opponents are hit and miss on both sides. As i say once AJ fights Wilder then we will see whats what.

[PRINCEKOOL]

Parker lost to Whyte who people call a bum and who people give 0 credit to Fury for knocking out so how is he elite exactly? u just said yourself Whyte is barely world level yet Parker lost to him but he's elite? make it make sense dude as i said the PR machine was in full force with AJ he beat no PRIME elite fighter just older guys and fringe level contenders.

hugh grant is kind of right nobody knows who truly is top dog until they all fight but AJs resume isn't amazing so Froch is right in regards to this thread.

Why are you lying to yourself mate? What are you getting out of it?

Jospeh Parker was a undefeated fighter and current WBO Heavyweight world Champion when Joshua fought and beat him 'Therefore objectively he was a World level fighter, that is a 1000% historical fact'.

It is a 1000% Historical fact, within the History of planet Earth that Parker was a World level fighter when Joshua beat him.

Everyone who is 100% honest with themselves reading this thread right now, can clearly see that you are lying to yourself 'betraying yourself'.

Why are you doing it mate? How come you have tried to bypass the facts that I have pointed out on Fury's resume?

Note: I have just factually proven, that outside of Kiltschko and Wilder 'Fury has predominately fought at domestic to European level'.

And this once again proves my point that Anthony Joshua overall is a more experienced fighter at fighting at World level etc.