Comments Thread For: Froch: Anthony Joshua is Past His Best, He's Probably Got No Real Legacy

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  • Nash out
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    #21
    Originally posted by BodyBagz

    Fury's best wins -
    An uninterested Wlad (no one actually wanted to win this snoozefest)

    Wilder, who every Fury fan said is nothing but a 1 trick pony who has a terrible resume
    NOW Wilder is some ATG

    Mr. Bagz, you are forgetting things again. Wlad said on the record (video got lost along with Dillian Whyte's B-Sample) but he said that "I have never, ever, in my life, been more interested in anything, than a fight with Tyson Fury, not even smashing Hayden from the back." Then Wilder, Nash calls him Beast Wilder for a reason, then as mentioned recently, not 1, not 2, but all 3 versions of Chisora!!! Delboy, War, and Old, if that is not HOF, then Nash does not know what is, as well as the creation of the uppercut-push combo that knocked Dillian Whyte into next week, and put tears into the eyes of his very real brother Dean Whyte. Nash out

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    • Boxviewer
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      #22
      Originally posted by denium

      Froch doesn't really think that the earth is flat, you gullible fool.

      Froch has a very dry sense of humour, he's just on the wind up.

      He's right about Joshua, his best career win is Tyson Fury's sloppy seconds.
      And yet your demigod Greedy Belly didn't really want to fight him and he cowardly ran from Usyk. Let him find another beatable opponent, Chard or Chisora IV so that you lots can scream how great he is. Your demigod best win was a boring hugfest vs an uninspired Wlad and thereafter he ran for the rematch. Or is it his wins vs a 1-trick pony Wilder? You and your ilk are nothing but guilible simpletons.

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      • GBP4LIFE
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        #23
        A legacy as a chump..

        Enjoy your under armour money you stinky brit

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        • BodyBagz
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          #24
          Originally posted by Nash out

          Mr. Bagz, you are forgetting things again. Wlad said on the record (video got lost along with Dillian Whyte's B-Sample) but he said that "I have never, ever, in my life, been more interested in anything, than a fight with Tyson Fury, not even smashing Hayden from the back." Then Wilder, Nash calls him Beast Wilder for a reason, then as mentioned recently, not 1, not 2, but all 3 versions of Chisora!!! Delboy, War, and Old, if that is not HOF, then Nash does not know what is, as well as the creation of the uppercut-push combo that knocked Dillian Whyte into next week, and put tears into the eyes of his very real brother Dean Whyte. Nash out
          Your logic and intellect render all debates moot.
          That fictional ''most interesting man in the world'' character is a poor mans version of you, kind sir

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          • chicken-
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            #25
            Originally posted by Boxviewer

            And yet your demigod Greedy Belly didn't really want to fight him and he cowardly ran from Usyk. Let him find another beatable opponent, Chard or Chisora IV so that you lots can scream how great he is. Your demigod best win was a boring hugfest vs an uninspired Wlad and thereafter he ran for the rematch. Or is it his wins vs a 1-trick pony Wilder? You and your ilk are nothing but guilible simpletons.
            Sorry AJ fanboy, Fury would ragdoll AJ around, even more-so than the obese snickers midget did.

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              #26
              Olympic Champion, Two time Heavyweight World Champion and still? One of the worlds top Heavyweights 1-2 fights away from fighting once again for a title 'That is Anthony Joshua's motivation'.

              I have stated this before, and I will state it again.

              Along time ago, I used to compare Anthony Joshua to Batman.

              In the sense that, if given time his traits such as? Near psychopathic work ethic, and a extreme analytical approach to the sport.

              Promotes and endorse Anthony Joshua's long term game, especially combined with his physique and athletic ability.

              We are now witnessing a self imposed long term drawn out competition between Fury, Wilder, Joshua & Usyk.

              The latter stages of their era is upon us, whether people think Joshua is past is best is kind of irrelevant. Because all of those 4 fighters, in some way are different kind of fighters to who they were a 8-10 years ago.

              Is this type of dynamic competition, which will decide who is the best fighter of this era 'Or at-least who will be the last man standing'.

              You have to take a step back and think to yourself, which fighter should you back? Are you guys backing Tyson Fury, a fighter who retires at a drop of a hat and who thinks not drinking diet cokes is a big sacrifice while in training camp? Go for it.

              Tyson Fury should of really landed the fights with Joshua and Usyk last year or early on this year 'If he wanted to maximize the likely-hood of him winning'. And Fury instinctively most likely knows and understand's this. There was a reason as to why he opportunistically tried to take advantage of Joshua's perceived vulnerability after the Usyk II loss.

              But guess what, it has all switched up now guys. Anthony Joshua is being allowed to train and play to his best attributes right now 'Joshua is all about long term game, his traits as a fighter are best used in this fashion. The way he is extremely obsessive, analytical and with his near psychopathic work ethic.

              Tyson Fury is a old school fighter, he can win fights out of condition, he can lose fights in condition 'He can just suddenly turn on the switch, and be fight ready inside 6 weeks worth of training camp'. But what I think he struggles with historical, or if there is one area were I think Joshua is superior it is 'The Long term game'.

              There is not much Fury can do about this, because innately Fury is who he is 'Innately he wants to most likely booze, eat pies and pizza' He just so happens to be a great fighter as well. Innately a fish wants to swim, Fury wants to be Tyson Fury. But understand, I will never say never 'Fighters can alter their game, but they will have to fight against their innate traits'.

              And that is what Fury is doing right now. It is commendable.

              Also take note, that compared to some normal everyday people? Fury's work ethic is most likely abnormal 'But in elite level sport, there is another level. I believe fighters like Joshua & Usyk are at this level'.

              Innately Anthony Joshua, Usyk and Wilder to a degree 'Are cut from a different cloth'. Even if these guys were not fighters, those men are most likely doing some form of training with a abnormal work ethic.

              Note: This is a long term game between these four fighters now. They have all been in the game for a similar amount of time, and they are all different fighters right now 'To who they were 5-8 years ago'. So if you understand what I am saying here, theoretically you will understand that Tyson Fury may have made the wrong move here in this competition. Because these big fights are most likely not happening in the summer, they are happening 8-12 months away 'If not even longer'.

              And during this time, all Joshua, Usyk, Wilder all they are going to be doing is training. At a intensity, that personally don't think Tyson Fury has ever experienced. These four fighters are not engage in a battle, they are engaged in a war 'A war is a collection of battles'.

              Joshua has lost a few battles, Wilder has lost a few battles. But they are still here, they are still in the game.

              And then we have Usyk, the most accomplished active fighter in the entire sport of boxing 'Usyk has never lost inside the boxing ring, Fury has backed out of fighting him twice'.

              All I am saying here is that Fury should of really fought and got Usyk & Joshua out of the way many months ago 'But he has not, and this is allowing them to embrace their game and traits to the best of their ability'.

              Because in a ideal situation and competitive environment. Were I think Tyson Fury excels is in a chaotic, uncertain environment 'Unstructured'. That is what all of his games and opportune moves are trying to create, whenever he comes face to face with his nearest competition. It is also why I think Fury dislikes being a Champion, Fury much prefers to be a underdog.

              Tyson Fury can fight Usyk 6 weeks from NOW no problem. Whatever Anthony Joshua is doing right now, Tyson Fury can jump on a plane or in the car 'Confront him and offer him a straighter'. And Fury would be fine with this type of competitive environment.

              The main overall point I am trying to emphasis in this point, is that the dynamic of the competition at Heavyweight and between these four fighters 'Has developed now into a long term game'.

              And in this situation and type of competition, I am just going to observe how it all plays out. I have not really backed anybody 100% at this point.







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              • BodyBagz
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                #27
                Originally posted by Bob

                Uninterested!?
                Fury schooled Klitschko in a stinker of a fight, he was so shot at 39 he couldn't get his punches off.
                Listen, after Fury's recent shenanigans i no longer listen or care about the duck but he's beaten 2 reigning world number 1s for all the belts in theyre own back yards as the underdog & had the biggest trilogy since Bowe Holyfield in the 90s with the biggest hitter in the division, possibly of all time.
                Who elsehas done that in this era?
                Your either just a troll hater or what an Aj fanboy?
                Ajs never boxed a top 2 heavyweight until Usyk beat him & the only names on his resume are shot past it 38-41 year olds, take them away & who's he beat? He's had 1 big fight against a 41 year old & had to go life & death, Aj didn't win that fight, father time did because like all 41 yr olds after 3-6 rds Klitschko was knackered & couldn't finish the job, Aj was done.
                Bro
                Neither guy wanted to win that ''fight'' and the judges didn't want to have them do it again.
                They had mercy on our souls.
                Did they even break the ''100 combined punches landed'' mark ???
                Who in their right mind would ever want to see that shlt again ???
                I'm grateful there was no rematch !

                He ''won'' a ''fight'' vs Wlad. Everyone who is not a Fury fan boy will rate that non fight as the worst title fight in HW history
                It would take an extreme masochist to rewatch that shlt.

                I'll repeat this again -
                Prior to Fury vs Wilder, EVERY FURY FAN RIGHTFULLY called Wilder a 1 trick pony with a laughable resume.
                (Epic pot meet kettle moment)

                NOW he's considered a champ worth hailing
                We will see who the fan boy or troll is...rate Wilder's resume

                Their trilogy is hysterical AF
                So much slop and dirty tactics. When I'm in need of a good laugh, I watch 2 or 3
                It has more in common with Bowe vs Tillery than Bowe vs Holy !!!

                AJ and Usyk beats everyone Fury beat with the exception of Wilder (IMHO, AJ doesn't beat him now)
                What AJ did to Wlad is what Fury should have done, but he was too scared to commit.

                Fury gets by on size and dity tactics, along with this being the absolute worst HW era of all time.
                Last edited by BodyBagz; 05-12-2023, 08:54 AM.

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                  #28
                  Originally posted by chicken-

                  Sorry AJ fanboy, Fury would ragdoll AJ around, even more-so than the obese snickers midget did.
                  But he dared not and ran. Greedy Belly is a confirmed coward. You Greedy Belly worshippers are damn delusional keyboard warriors.

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                  • BoZz
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                    #29
                    Shame on you Carl, how dare you say that?! Josh beat the great Pulev...yes Pulev might of been nearly 50 but still...

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                      #30
                      A very mediocre legacy to say the least.

                      And Joshua has all the money he could ever need already, so there is no longer any real hunger or motivation to become great.

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