Comments Thread For: Froch: I Think Canelo is Past His Best, Bivol Will Win The Rematch

[MulaKO]

175 or 168 , the end result will be the same
Only difference is does he lose his belts or not ?

[Boxing Goat]

Canelo will get stopped if there is a rematch with Bivol.

[MastaBlasta]

The only real question is will Alvarez pay for a dive, and does Bivol have a magic number where he will agree? They can always do the "trilogy" to settle it for real. Otherwise, Bivol boxes Canelo's ears off and maybe KO's him.

[Bro. Steve]

But I think Canelo can do better if he goes back to the tactics he used Vs khan , and not look for haymakers and try to use speed , I remember Lennox Lewis saying something about that in between rounds , and that's when he started to catch khan when he got that advice, actually very good tactics to catch a guy who moves well , iv a guy in the gym that moves like that and everyone I know I'm sparring guys I try to watch tapes online of similar fights whether I do or not really makes a difference in the ring

It will be interesting to see if your analysis proves true. Canelo learned a lot from Mayweather, so he is very difficult to hit clean and flush. Golovkin managed to catch him flush a few times, but Alvarez proved he's got an engine block for a head and lead-lined chin to match. I don't see anybody ever knocking him out -- and some guys seemingly cannot be knocked out by a human punch.

Canelo's toughness and wily feints and dodges are why I expect Bivol to ramp up the energy level and just try to wear him down. Maybe some clever coaching will show him how to neutralize Bivol's natural advantage in the stamina department. We'll see. It promises to be an interesting fight, if it happens.

[Shadoww702]

everyone telling canelo hes past his best & looking into a fight noone thinks he can win, happy days

Against a legit P4P top 5 LHW CHAMP. But he scurred of Andrade and Charlo doe. Where does BoxingScene find these goofy ***s???

[Sammy7861992]

It will be interesting to see if your analysis proves true. Canelo learned a lot from Mayweather, so he is very difficult to hit clean and flush. Golovkin managed to catch him flush a few times, but Alvarez proved he's got an engine block for a head and lead-lined chin to match. I don't see anybody ever knocking him out -- and some guys seemingly cannot be knocked out by a human punch.

Canelo's toughness and wily feints and dodges are why I expect Bivol to ramp up the energy level and just try to wear him down. Maybe some clever coaching will show him how to neutralize Bivol's natural advantage in the stamina department. We'll see. It promises to be an interesting fight, if it happens.

Ya definitely, another great night of boxing Canelo can give us , ppl who say they have no interest in this fight are fools

[BoZz]

From a 'Mexican fan' point of view I understand why they'd support their fellow countryman but from a boxing fan point of view I think Canelo has always been over rated, and people calling him a p4p? Now that's just insane. He had trouble beating Trout, some say it should been a draw..against Lara he got a gift decision we all know that, and against Mayweather he looked like an amateur, he couldn't land two proper punches and please let's not start the "he was too young" excuse. And of course let's not forget about his getting caught eating that "contaminated" meat. His best wins are against ggg, a guy who was sitting in a dead division fighting the likes of geale and monroe jr. Bivol whooped him and would whoop him again, let him fight the Ryder's and other c level opponents but please do not call that guy a p4p..even as a Mexican fan you should respect the sport and see him for what he really is. Oh I forgot to mention Jacobs, another gifted victory right there..seems like he has problems with anyone who knows how to use their legs in the ring.

[MastaBlasta]

Against a legit P4P top 5 LHW CHAMP. But he scurred of Andrade and Charlo doe. Where does BoxingScene find these goofy ***s???

Scared or not, Canelo should have fought both Andrade and Charlo by now. No excuses. They are both more accomplished and worthy than many guys Canelo "chose" to fight.

[Sid-Knee]

The biggest fight/challenge Froch had in his career was against Andrew Ward, and he lost soundly. The only fight Canelo lost without question was against Bivol - a fighter he's smaller than. Canelo has been in a "Fight of the Year". Froch was never even in a fight mentioned as a runner-up.

It's Andre, not Andrew. Ward did win the first fight, but he didn't want the rematch. He did everything to get out of it. History would look very different if fighters weren't given the rematch.

Canelo lost his biggest fight to Floyd. What are you talking about? You're now contradicting your own "Logic". Canelo also lost to Lara and Golovkin x2. The wins that Canelo has are all sullied as he made sure they weren't at their best. Who would you put forward as his world class wins where he didn't sabotage them in one way or another?

As for talking about fight of the year.... Haha. Canelo has never had a war in the same way Froch did with Pascal, Kessler x2, Johnson or a Taylor. There's loads of great fights in Carl's career. And against actual world class fighters who were allowed to be at their best. Unlike what Canelo does to his opponents before he'll fight them. Canelo is boring and tedious in comparison though when it comes to action. If Froch is a 10, Canelo is a -10. Only insanity could allow anyone to believe otherwise.

Bute
Kessler
Groves x2
Johnson
Abraham
Dirrell
Taylor

That is a resume Canelo couldn't come close to gaining. As i say, Froch is a real ATG. Canelo never has been or ever will be. He's a fraud.

[Lefty0616]

It's Andre, not Andrew. Ward did win the first fight, but he didn't want the rematch. He did everything to get out of it. History would look very different if fighters weren't given the rematch.

Canelo lost his biggest fight to Floyd. What are you talking about? You're now contradicting your own "Logic". Canelo also lost to Lara and Golovkin x2. The wins that Canelo has are all sullied as he made sure they weren't at their best. Who would you put forward as his world class wins where he didn't sabotage them in one way or another?

As for talking about fight of the year.... Haha. Canelo has never had a war in the same way Froch did with Pascal, Kessler x2, Johnson or a Taylor. There's loads of great fights in Carl's career. And against actual world class fighters who were allowed to be at their best. Unlike what Canelo does to his opponents before he'll fight them. Canelo is boring and tedious in comparison though when it comes to action. If Froch is a 10, Canelo is a -10. Only insanity could allow anyone to believe otherwise.

Bute
Kessler
Groves x2
Johnson
Abraham
Dirrell
Taylor

That is a resume Canelo couldn't come close to gaining. As i say, Froch is a real ATG. Canelo never has been or ever will be. He's a fraud.

You my friend, are hilarious. I do not recall Ward turning down a rematch with Froch. Ward capped that middleweight tournament by beating Froch. He may have been too exhausted for an immediate rematch, and could've used a break. If they had a rematch, the results would've been the same.

Also, reading is fundamental. While Floyd beat Canelo, it wasn't soundly. If I'm not mistaken, one of the judges had it a draw. And while I gave the nod slightly to Mayweather, he didn't beat Canelo soundly in my opinion. He did, however, welcome Canelo to Big Stage boxing. Canelo lost soundly to Bivol. I do not believe Lara beat Canelo, and I scored the first fight against GGG a draw (it was a close bout). I scored the second fight for Canelo.

Now let's get to overrated Froch's resume. Bute, Abraham, and Taylor. Are you freaking kidding me? Dirrell got robbed against Froch. And Froch never faced Calzaghe for some reason.

Groves, Kessler, and Johnson were his only commendable victories. And he lost once against Kessler.

While I'm highly disappointed in Canelo's cherry picking of opponents as of late, he still has a more impressive resume. Froch is absolutely some overrated trash. He retired early. Because of the level he achieved in his career (he had enough wins and bouts), he could only be matched against the top tier of the division going forward. He more than likely would have compiled many more losses.....which would have surely exposed him for the fraud that he was. This is why he retired. His win/loss record looked decent. He wanted it to stay at least decent.

RE Andre Ward: My smart phone is not too bright. It at times auto correct words even if I've spelled them correctly.