Comments Thread For: John Ryder Believes Canelo is Now in Decline: He's Past His Best!

[BlackRobb]

I think Hearn is keeping Ryder in his pocket for a fight against Berlanga in November/December. if Berlanga wins - and looks better beating Ryder than Canelo did - we’re all set up for Canelo to fight Berlanga in May 2024. It’ll be a nice Mexico v. Puerto Rico fight to keep the gloss on Canelo after the second loss to Bivol.

Berlanga is one guy at 168 Canelo would KO. He's even more flat-footed than Benavidez and doesn't throw as many punches. He might even struggle to get past Quigley.

[BlackRobb]

A fairly accurate overview however I feel that, on that showing, Canelo will still lose to Bivol again. Despite pacing himself, Alvarez still slowed up in the later rounds and he will have to work much harder to dominate Bivol than he did Ryder. He just doesn't have the dimensions, physicality or power to beat Bivol.

Or the ring IQ.

[factsarenice]

A fairly accurate overview however I feel that, on that showing, Canelo will still lose to Bivol again. Despite pacing himself, Alvarez still slowed up in the later rounds and he will have to work much harder to dominate Bivol than he did Ryder. He just doesn't have the dimensions, physicality or power to beat Bivol.

You made some great points so I went back and re-visited Canelo/Bivol and skimmed Canelo/Ryder again and I didn't see enough to change the equation. Canelo may be better prepared but you're right, it won't matter, Bivol is all wrong for Canelo.

[factsarenice]

Okay Bivol is bigger how. Canelo outweighs him on fight night. Sad excuse for cannot complete because no advantages..

Factually speaking....

1. Bivol out weighted Canelo on fight night.
2. Bivol is much taller
3. Bivol has the reach advantage
4. Bivol was a light-heavyweight before Canelo was even a middleweight.

No offense but do you follow boxing?

[-Kev-]

Canelo fans were just bragging about how he was entering his prime, now he's washed. He's only 32. At some point y'all gotta stop make excuses for this dude.

Stop taking a post one poster said and saying that all of Canelo’s fans said that.

[james240]

Stop ****ing saying he has no place in a division HE WEIGHS MORE THAN. ABSOLUTELY A ****** EXCUSE FOR NOT BEING GOOD ENOIGH.

Jokes on you if you actually think just because he weighs 175 he can compete against other natural 175 pounders in a contact sport.

Guess what Mayweather walked around at 160 why didn't he fight at MW?

[Boxviewer]

So, is he implying that he had no business standing there in the ring with Canelo? He has beaten you worse than you have ever been beaten before and then you put out a state he's past his prime for not knocking you out. It doesn't show much self-worth.

[TheOneAboveAll]

Pugil!st. You one mixed up fug. I telling you my man, what I'm saying is scientifically proven. Human beings evolved from chimps, human beings spread from Africa to populate the world, We are all **** sapiens. You can scream & shout & holler all the way you like but this is science. There is genetically no difference between a white & a black person. You can **** on about it, all you like, but I'm telling you that there are no 'races' . Suggesting otherwise is false science. Brother, YDKS about science & YDKS about boxing either.

Not true. There is absolutely some genetic difference between black and white people. There is, in fact, some genetic difference between any two black people who aren't identical twins or, for that matter, any two white people who aren't identical twins. Random genetic variation is, in fact, the primary mechanism by which evolution of the species is driven, so of course there is variation among human species as well as any other animal species. This variation is greatest among species that have been geographically isolated from each other for the longest periods of time; hence the clearly distinguishable morphological differences between human populations such as nordic Europeans, native subsaharan Africans and East Asian and Pacific Island people.

Do these morphological differences constitute a different species? The answer to that is pretty clearly NO. We all can, after all, procreate with one another.

Do these differences consititute different races (subspecies) is the more interesting and controversial question. The answer, as I understand it, is YES; at least according to the taxonomy standards applied to every other non-human organism on the planet. For example, we readily categorize variations of moths, birds or dogs as new subspecies based on variations of size, color or feature shapes even though they can procreate, so what's the difference? The difference is that there are serious social implications to categorizing humans as different races/subspecies. The main implication is that hierarchies of every kind (but mainly intelligence) are construed as soon as we begin to classify human beings genetically. This leads to racism which is already a scourge to our civilization. True science (the kind that disregards feelings) acknowledges that the human species has subspecies (races), but our modern society will not allow mainstream publications to admit it.

[SUBZER0ED]

This is kind of long but hear me out...

First, Canelo has plenty of KO's, he doesn't need a KO to hype a rematch with Bivol. I think we can agree that marketability is not Canelo's problem. Andrade yes, Canelo no. Second, Eddie Reynoso knew that everything Ryder does Canelo does better. Ryder was not going to beating Canelo, I think we can agree on that too.

If that's true and Canelo's team are truly looking at beating Bivol (I believe they are) it would make perfect sense to put Caneo in the ring with a strong, durable guy that could go the distance. Again, If the KO came it came but that doesn't prepare Canelo for Bivol. As a trainer, I strongly suspect that Reynoso was looking closely at work rate, quickness, and endurance, not power. Knowing that Canelo's best opposition can concentrate hard enough to keep it close for 6-7 rounds means that Canelo needs to be strong in rounds 7-12.

I may be alone but IMO, Canelo paced himself, fought hard and broke him down all 12 rounds, EXACTLY what he set out to accomplish

I don't see Ryder as a prep for a rematch with Bivol. John is practically a mirror image of Canelo, with less skill.

[Boxing Goat]

I have to agree, Canelo showed signs of a lack of stamina and slowing reflexes. Ryder landed a ton of good shots