Comments Thread For: John Ryder Believes Canelo is Now in Decline: He's Past His Best!

[AKAcronym]

All the weight jumping was going to catch up eventually.

[pugil1st]

This dude went from saying he was going to shock the world to Canelo has fallen off if he can’t get a guy like me out of there. What a ‘maroon’!

[tokon]

This is kind of long but hear me out...

First, Canelo has plenty of KO's, he doesn't need a KO to hype a rematch with Bivol. I think we can agree that marketability is not Canelo's problem. Andrade yes, Canelo no. Second, Eddie Reynoso knew that everything Ryder does Canelo does better. Ryder was not going to beating Canelo, I think we can agree on that too.

If that's true and Canelo's team are truly looking at beating Bivol (I believe they are) it would make perfect sense to put Caneo in the ring with a strong, durable guy that could go the distance. Again, If the KO came it came but that doesn't prepare Canelo for Bivol. As a trainer, I strongly suspect that Reynoso was looking closely at work rate, quickness, and endurance, not power. Knowing that Canelo's best opposition can concentrate hard enough to keep it close for 6-7 rounds means that Canelo needs to be strong in rounds 7-12.

I may be alone but IMO, Canelo paced himself, fought hard and broke him down all 12 rounds, EXACTLY what he set out to accomplish

A fairly accurate overview however I feel that, on that showing, Canelo will still lose to Bivol again. Despite pacing himself, Alvarez still slowed up in the later rounds and he will have to work much harder to dominate Bivol than he did Ryder. He just doesn't have the dimensions, physicality or power to beat Bivol.

[A.B Counterhooks]

Its safe to say Ryder would be anything but a walk in park for any 68 pounder out there hes tough and can put decent combos together in the pocket ,just imagine taking those mean bodyshots from canelo getting nose all busted up early in the fight with all that blood in nose mouth and throat not letting you breath properly and still be able to land shots back ,and to think a certain fighter couldn't get up from a partially landed bodyshot not too long ago. Levels.

[1Eriugenus]

I don't think Canelo has too much left. He's been fighting at the top for a good few years now. If I was advising him I'd say to forget Bivol & stick to 168. There are some huge fights & the biggest is Benavidez & IMO, DB is made for Canelo. He isn't bad but he gets wild in there & he will just leave himself wide open. I honestly see Canelo knocking DB out around 8-10. After that, Morrell is still around just getting bigger, badder, scarier. That is a HUGE fight.

[Quiksilva]

Canelo didn't look to superb last night, but he got the job done. Yeah, I think he should avoid 175 and the rematch with Bivol; unless he wants another loss on his resume.

He has other options at 168lb, some of them are even easy tasks. He should take up one more tune-up before fighting a guy like David Benavidez (who could trouble him imo).

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This fight reminded me of the GGG Jacobs fight. GGG had Jacobs down but could not finish him. That was the start of GGG's decline. Before that he looked unstoppable.

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I don't think Canelo has too much left. He's been fighting at the top for a good few years now. If I was advising him I'd say to forget Bivol & stick to 168. There are some huge fights & the biggest is Benavidez & IMO, DB is made for Canelo. He isn't bad but he gets wild in there & he will just leave himself wide open. I honestly see Canelo knocking DB out around 8-10. After that, Morrell is still around just getting bigger, badder, scarier. That is a HUGE fight.

Canelo has a lot of miles on him. 3 fights with GGG, Jacobs, tops British guys, Plant. I think Beneviedez beats him

[Realizniguhnit]

All the weight jumping was going to catch up eventually.

I've been saying this for like the last 5 years..Canelo was going up in weight too high too fast and just because he was able to handle the bigger guys doesn't mean his body was going to be able to handle the wear and tear and now we see Canelo's abilities fading..

and it's a shame because biologically Canelo should be at his peak prime or just off it at 32-33ish.. but imo Canelo physically given the wear and tear is probably closer to that of a 36-37 year old man that hasn't quite hit the wall yet vs one in their early 30s, I can tell by his movement an reaction times compared to years past, it's just masked by his vast experience and boxing IQ.

It's like the NBA how a lot of the star players are now in their mid to late 30s, they can't jump as high or run as fast but the experience still gets them by, until it can't...

[AKAcronym]

I've been saying this for like the last 5 years..Canelo was going up in weight too high too fast and just because he was able to handle the bigger guys doesn't mean his body was going to be able to handle the wear and tear and now we see Canelo's abilities fading..

and it's a shame because biologically Canelo should be at his peak prime or just off it at 32-33ish.. but imo Canelo physically given the wear and tear is probably closer to that of a 36-37 year old man that hasn't quite hit the wall yet vs one in their early 30s, I can tell by his movement an reaction times compared to years past, it's just masked by his vast experience and boxing IQ.

It's like the NBA how a lot of the star players are now in their mid to late 30s, they can't jump as high or run as fast but the experience still gets them by, until it can't...

Exactly. He's still good enough to handle world class guys, but when it comes to the elite, what he's lost will be drastic enough. I also had been saying the weight jumping would catch up for I don't know how long, but not sure if I anticipated it at this age.