Comments Thread For: WBC Prez Shakes Head at Scoring of Second Round in Tank-Garcia

[Jab jab boom]

Well when the other guy is doing nothing except initiating clinches… If that round would have ended without a KD, that would be a pretty easy round to score correct? And also false, you can get a 10 “depending on how far ahead you had the boxer before the knockdown.” That was definitely the wrong score, I agree. The rules are vague but they are what they are. And I don’t care to argue or fanboy certain about certain promotions. Fighters get BS scores all the time across all promotions.

Fighters do get BS scores often. It does happen quite often with golden boy fighters and to absurd degrees. But I digress, I’ve seen more competitive rounds where a fighter was knocked down that were still scored 10-8. To get a 9-9 score, which is the best you could get when dropped, you really have to have been in full control. The scoring in that round was extremely rare, hardly ever seen, and what Ryan did in that round was nothing exceptional to have gotten an exceptional score in a round he was dropped.

[sicko]

no matter what a guy goes down it is 99.9999% of the time 10-8 but on that night for some reason Judges wanted to be "Different" I guess it was ridiculous not about liking or not likely someone Wrong Is Wrong in boxing Fans cannot put emotions aside and use Logic I notice instead when it happens to someone they don't like it is "HAHA That Is What He Gets I Don't Care..." but Karma comes back around real quick in boxing so often times I've seen fans make fools of themselves bashing a fighter for one thing but then going complete 360 when a fighter they like does the exact same thing

Right Is Right, Wrong Is Wrong regardless of how you feel about a fighter

[IronDanHamza]

Not impossible. That’s the problem with scoring. This is directly from the ABC website:

“Situation 1: Boxer A is winning the round convincingly - your score at the moment is
10-9- Boxer A. Boxer B knocks down Boxer A just before the bell. Since Boxer A was winning the round in convincing fashion your score maybe 10-9 for Boxer B (not 10-8 for Boxer B since he was well behind at the time of the knock-down). This round may also be scored 10-10- depending on how far ahead you had Boxer A at the time of the knockdown.”

But the winner of the round has a point deduction for the knockdown no?

So worst case it should be 9-9?

[SUBZER0ED]

Scoring a round even is against the rules:

RULE 6. SCORING SYSTEM 6.1. Electronic Scoring System 6.1.1. The Scoring System must be used in all Bouts. The Scoring System will be based on a “Ten Point Must-System”. 6.1.2. Following the selection of the 5 Judges, when they arrived in the FOP, the RJ Coordinator will randomly select a position around the ring. 6.1.3. Just before starting each Bout, the Scoring System will randomly select three (3) Judges out of the five (5) Judges, and only the scores of these three (3) Judges will be counted. 6.1.4. At the end of each round, each Judge must determine the winning Boxer of that round by awarding a score of ten (10) points and by awarding nine (9) or less points - down to 6 - to the losing Boxer, depending on the judgment as to the degree to which the opponent lost the round. Every round must have a declared winner. 6.1.5. The Judges will have to push the scoring pad within fifteen (15) seconds. These scores will be transmitted directly to a computer system managed by the Supervisor, and no alterations or additions will be made to these scores after the initial transmission. 6.1.5.1. In the event of a Live TV Broadcast: The announcement of the scores on the live TV broadcast will be made immediately prior to the start of the next round (excluding the announcement of the scores awarded for the final round, in which case the Official Announcer’s rule will apply to the display and announcement of the scores). This announcement must be approved by the Supervisor who will then submit the scores to the broadcaster for transmission on the live TV broadcast. At the end of the Bout, the precise scores awarded and the Judge who awarded each score will be identified on a public display. This public display will also indicate the total score by each selected Judge for each Boxer for the entire Bout (including any deduction due to warnings). 6.1.6. In the event the total scores awarded by each Judge, including any deduction, are equal at the end of the Bout, Judges must record in the Scoring System who in their opinion is the winner of the Bout. They will only be requested to do so if: 6.1.6.1. One (1) of the 2 (two) other Judges also awarded equal scores 6.1.6.2. The two (2) other Judges appointed different winners 6.1.6.3. The two (2) other Judges awarded equal scores 6.1.7. The scores of the final round must not be disclosed or displayed until the winner of the Bout has been announced. The Supervisor will then inform the Official Announcer of the official results. 6.1.8. All results recorded in the Scoring System must be printed at the conclusion of the Bout and must be included in the official report forwarded to the USA Boxing Office by the Supervisor.

https://d36m266ykvepgv.cloudfront.ne...les-8-9-13.pdf

[mxtali]

But the winner of the round has a point deduction for the knockdown no?

So worst case it should be 9-9?

I mean for all intents and purposes 10-10 is the same as 9-9. The point difference is what matters in the end.

[IronDanHamza]

I mean for all intents and purposes 10-10 is the same as 9-9. The point difference is what matters in the end.

Yeah true, but still, still an incorrect score but same difference you’re right.

But realistically though, right or wrong, most judges will score the round for the guy who knocked the other guy down.

[mxtali]

Fighters do get BS scores often. It does happen quite often with golden boy fighters and to absurd degrees. But I digress, I’ve seen more competitive rounds where a fighter was knocked down that were still scored 10-8. To get a 9-9 score, which is the best you could get when dropped, you really have to have been in full control. The scoring in that round was extremely rare, hardly ever seen, and what Ryan did in that round was nothing exceptional to have gotten an exceptional score in a round he was dropped.

To your point, 10-10 or even 10-9 is very rarely done. Definitely agree it’s odd to do it on a stage this big but the 10-9 was well within correct scoring practice from what I read. I think the issue is how rarely it’s done it makes it seem wrong to do it when it does happen. A couple of judges gave Kambo a 10-9 against Teo in rd 1. Would you say that was accurate?

[mxtali]

Yeah true, but still, still an incorrect score but same difference you’re right.

But realistically though, right or wrong, most judges will score the round for the guy who knocked the other guy down.

Agreed judges almost always score it a 10-8 for the guy with the KD. The problem is there’s a clear difference in the scoring rules and what judges normally do. So it makes it seem weird or wrong when doing it out of the ordinary, especially on a stage this big. Didn’t make a difference in this fight in the end but it should definitely be something that judges get trained on. But it’s boxing so nothing will change lol

[Jab jab boom]

To your point, 10-10 or even 10-9 is very rarely done. Definitely agree it’s odd to do it on a stage this big but the 10-9 was well within correct scoring practice from what I read. I think the issue is how rarely it’s done it makes it seem wrong to do it when it does happen. A couple of judges gave Kambo a 10-9 against Teo in rd 1. Would you say that was accurate?

The Teo vs kambo round I could see being a 9-9 score

[Phase III]

The judges scoring the round 10-10 or even 10-9, were obviously on the take and should be investigated and banned from ever scoring a fight again. This corruption in boxing gives the sport a black eye.