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  • #41
    I'm huge and made of muscle so I try to use my brain to win fights.

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    • #42
      Originally posted by Roberto Vasquez View Post

      As good as Lewis was - you must remember him staggering around the ring against Briggs, struggling against Bruno, and in a ton of other fights. I was there at the time and Lewis was getting called over-cautious all the time, often by Steward. It's interesting how people mythologize fighters when their career is over. He was definitely never an invincible fighter
      In all due respect; I never said that. Perhaps you misunderstood my point. All I was saying was that once Lewis started training with Manny Steward; He developed into a more complete, scientific and fundamentally sound fighter.

      Moreover, you are right. After that Oliver McCall TKO lost; He did become a more cautious, safety first boxer/puncher who worked behind the jab a lot but not against Frank Bruno. He was still very green then.

      In any case, it was largely the reason why he never became a hugely popular heavyweight champion in the states because of his safety first style and the fact that he was not an American.

      However, one cannot argue that his new style was very successful.

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      • #43
        A gentle giant and seems like a good guy….

        he should model not box

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        • #44
          All muscles, no heart. Dude looks like the ideal “Build a Heavyweight” on a video game, but mentally, he’s simply “not that guy”.
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          • #45
            Originally posted by champion4ever View Post

            In all due respect; I never said that. Perhaps you misunderstood my point. All I was saying was that once Lewis started training with Manny Steward; He developed into a more complete, scientific and fundamentally sound fighter.

            Moreover, you are right. After that Oliver McCall TKO lost; He did become a more cautious, safety first boxer/puncher who worked behind the jab a lot but not against Frank Bruno. He was still very green then.

            In any case, it was largely the reason why he never became a hugely popular heavyweight champion in the states because of his safety first style and the fact that he was not an American.

            However, one cannot argue that his new style was very successful.
            You are right mate.

            Lennox Lewis was continually criticized for being too tentative or calculated 'But really those criticisms are subjective'.

            Lennox Lewis was a big time performer, and achieved great wins under Steward.

            Now, all these criticisms towards Joshua are also subjective 'The raw facts of his performance are? That he beat a solid fighter rather easily, and won 95% of the rounds'.

            Even if that was a bad performance, and Joshua was still able to beat Franklin so easily 'Then that is encouraging for himself, and his coach'.

            Tyson Fury in comparison has had worst performances vs lower level fighters 'Fury vs Wallin was battered and busted up real good'.

            Wallin was not and still is not proven as a World level fighter 'But he is a sold fighter, just like Franklin'.

            Which performance was worst, Fury vs Wallin or Joshua vs Franklin? I think Fury's performance vs Wallin was worst 'Fury was damaged, fatigued and pushed way more than Joshua vs Franklin'.

            I am not sure why people are pressuring Joshua to score knock-outs 'It is about winning at this stage of his career, and the whole body of work'.

            Note: Myself personally, I was expecting a more violent performance from Joshua vs Franklin. But in revision of the performance, overall I think it was satisfactory 'He barely dropped a round, was never hurt and sustained minimal damage'.

            Joshua's performance was by no means a super great performance, but it was also not as bad as people claim 'Franklin was 22 pounds lighter to when he fought Whyte, and training full time for the Joshua fight'. Theoretically Franklin's game would of increased by levels vs Joshua.

            Joshua is held to a extremely high standard, possibly even still as a contender 'People are demanding a higher standard from Joshua, than what they are demanding from' etc.
            Last edited by PRINCEKOOL; 04-26-2023, 05:06 PM.
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            • #46
              Originally posted by juggernaut666 View Post

              This isn’t really true , Joshua mentioned money and everyone takes it out of context . He’s taking a Klitchko approach not Mayweather .

              You know who takes a Mayweather approach though ? Fury does , the difference beyond trying to secure an undefeated status by carefully selecting opponents he asks for foolish amounts of money he’s not worth .
              He went over to fight Wlad in Germany for peanuts , he went over to fight unbeaten Wilder for peanuts , make SOME sense man!

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              • #47
                Originally posted by FlatLine View Post

                A comparison more so of their mindset than their skill set. Remember Floyd is a big inspiration for AJ. He knows full well that Floyd became more of a technician in the second half of his career. In time, you'll realize that too as you learn more about boxing and study the history. Where do you think AJ's talk about "This is all about the Money" came from? Very similar to what Floyd said in the second half of his career and when his moniker changed from "Pretty Boy" to "Money Mayweather". AJ took a lot of inspiration from Floyd and one of these things is to attempt to be more of a ring technician in this second half of his career.
                Floyd became that way because his hands were brittle and didn't need power to dominate opponents, not because he was getting rag-dolled by morbidly obese men and was afraid of being hit.

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                • #48
                  Originally posted by champion4ever View Post

                  In all due respect; I never said that. Perhaps you misunderstood my point. All I was saying was that once Lewis started training with Manny Steward; He developed into a more complete, scientific and fundamentally sound fighter.

                  Moreover, you are right. After that Oliver McCall TKO lost; He did become a more cautious, safety first boxer/puncher who worked behind the jab a lot but not against Frank Bruno. He was still very green then.

                  In any case, it was largely the reason why he never became a hugely popular heavyweight champion in the states because of his safety first style and the fact that he was not an American.

                  However, one cannot argue that his new style was very successful.
                  I didn't say you did say that. I was talking about how people mythologize fighters from the past. Lewis had 2 KO defeats and it was always scary watching him because you knew he was vulnerable. He could have had another kO defeat too and he wasn't doing great against Vitali. And like I said it wasn't like Lewis didn't get staggered in fights even after Steward, I do agree with your point though. He has got to box smart. AJ will get stopped at some point in his career again for sure but needs to box in a way that makes that less likely to happen in general

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                  • #49
                    AJ looks afraid to punch, but now even when he punches it's like he's not fully committing to it. There's no power behind the shots anymore, he's a wimp.

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                    • #50
                      Originally posted by thack View Post

                      He went over to fight Wlad in Germany for peanuts , he went over to fight unbeaten Wilder for peanuts , make SOME sense man!
                      He didn’t go over anywhere because he wasn’t the champion he had no choice and he cancelled the rematch due to two things ,one was poor ticket sales and a PED failed test .

                      Your asking anyone on here to make sense is pretty funny though ,your one of the worst posters on here we all know that so what the F are you talking about ,make it make sense is right ? You moron that’s why your name is really THICK ….you just don’t get boxing . Lol
                      Last edited by juggernaut666; 04-27-2023, 06:09 PM.

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