Comments Thread For: Robert Garcia Responds to Joshua: There Are Trainers That Are Yes-Men; I'm Not One of Them

[dannnnn]

I don't think anything Garcia said was actually that bad or out of line, it was more the media fanning the flames and Joshua being a bit overly sensitive to any perceived criticism.

I mean, he even tried to spin Lomachenko complimenting him on being "very strong" as some kind of racist insult because according to him black athletes are only given credit for their strength and not their skills.

[paulf]

Garcia is so full of ****.

If he wasn’t a yes man, he wouldn’t have agreed to fly in and “train” Joshua in his palace in the UK ahead of the Usyk rematch.

He took the money and now he wants to complain. Shut up man.

[peplz]

There's nothing cliche or misleading about what I have stated. If you find it as such, its because the news reported by the boxing media sickens you. We are not journalists and we are not insiders, so we must depend on what is being reported by the real journalists through their verification of their sources and information. Everything that I stated has been shown through Bud's history at 147 and reported continuously.

I didn't get into specifics because I have done that too many times on here to count, but, yes he is devoid of any reality when it comes to how deals are made and his worth, because he has priced himself out during the negotiations on numerous occasions. Crawford is used to large guarantees because he had a guaranteed amount for each fight in his Top Rank contracts. This upset Arum because Bud refused to renegotiate that money even when he knew that Bob would lose money in making the fights, because Bud is NOT A DRAW.

Even when Spence informed Bud that he wasn't getting a guarantee either, Crawford tried to go around Haymon and make an offer to Spence from some invisible hedge fund managers, that's called bad, shady business. Even after agreeing to the purse splits, he wanted so called transparency. But when they sent him the contract with all of the numbers, turns out he doesn't want transparency, he wants APPROVAL POWER over all of the expenses. He's full of shxt, and he has people like you that turn a blind eye and act like you don't smell it. He's doing more of the same right now, but I will save that for another one.

Do you really believe repeating all of the same cliché excuses makes them anything more than cliché excuses? So you believe that a fighter is supposed to renegotiate a contractual agreement to accept less money so the promoter makes more? Since when do boxing fans accuse the fighter of ripping off the promoter? This is the most backwards view of the business of boxing I’ve ever heard. You believe that Crawford trying to bring an investor to the table to add money to the pot is shady bad business because of what? How? Who does it harm? If these points of view make you an expert on who is a good or bad business person then I would rather take business advice from Terence Crawford. You can’t claim to know what’s best for a person’s business if your only assessment is that the person has no worth. Thats a complete non starter. And him wanting approval power is smart business. His representatives would have been bad at their jobs for not asking for it, given the situation. He would have been getting paid a percentage of the net from a promoter that he is not affiliated with and does not look after his interests. If Al Haymon and PBC can’t find a way to alleviate such a basic concern then it probably means that they don’t have any intentions of dealing fairly.
And why do you care so much about his business in the first place. For spectators this is just a sporting event. This isn’t the stock market. I think the fact that all of y’all Spence apologists get so into negotiations and he said she said behind the scenes speculation is because Spence has said and done so many questionable and border line inexcusable things that y’all get desperate and even angry trying to defend him. Other side of the street, clean up my side of the street first, I don’t know why he was at my fight I would probably never go to none of his fights, negotiating money splits on twitter, getting up and shaking his head and running out of the arena when Crawford stopped Shawn Porter, making a list of excuses for Shawn Porter being stopped, kissing Manny Pacquiao’s a s s like a fan during his post fight interview in the ring but pretending to not know why Crawford was at his fight and etc. If I was trying to defend such a long list of questionable statements and actions I would be angry too. I wouldn’t start talking about irrelevant s h i t like his business acumen trying to come up with anything I can possibly think of to attack the guy though. But hey, thats just people like me I guess.

[peplz]

I don't think anything Garcia said was actually that bad or out of line, it was more the media fanning the flames and Joshua being a bit overly sensitive to any perceived criticism.

I mean, he even tried to spin Lomachenko complimenting him on being "very strong" as some kind of racist insult because according to him black athletes are only given credit for their strength and not their skills.

I’ve never heard of a trainer going to the media to criticize his fighter after the fight. It’s bizarre behavior at best. I mean Maidana kicked and bit Mayweather in their fight and Garcia defended him to the media. Anthony Joshua can’t even talk crazy in the post fight interview without having his own coach turn on him.
And as far as the Lomachenko comment goes he obviously misspoke and meant to say Usyk. Usyk said he was strong in the ring after the fight and Joshua said he doesn’t care about being strong because skills pay the bills. As far as I know Lomachenko never made any comments about Joshua being strong.

[ruedboy]

Joshua "lost his mind" in the ring after the Usyk fight.
Maybe the post fight rant was the most honest Joshua's ever been. Who knows?

[FeFist]

The thing with Robert Garcia is that he is kind of consistent with doing this.

You can avoid being a yes man whilst handling things in-house. With Garcia it always seems to be a rush for him to put out a fighter not doing what they were told which seems to be about protecting his reputation more than anything.

[dannnnn]

Anthony Joshua can’t even talk crazy in the post fight interview without having his own coach turn on him.

Not sure if this is sarcasm ?
Garcia didn't turn on him, he was (obviously) plied with questions by the media about Joshua's post-fight outburst and what's next for him and he was perhaps a touch too transparent with his answers. It lost him his gig but I respect his honesty.

And as far as the Lomachenko comment goes he obviously misspoke and meant to say Usyk. Usyk said he was strong in the ring after the fight and Joshua said he doesn’t care about being strong because skills pay the bills. As far as I know Lomachenko never made any comments about Joshua being strong.

The issue isn't who said it, the issue is how instead of just graciously accepting what was clearly intended as a compliment, Joshua went out of his way to get offended and spin it as some kind of veiled racist insult. Bizarre and quite pathetic really.

[Rebelrbg]

Do you really believe repeating all of the same cliché excuses makes them anything more than cliché excuses? So you believe that a fighter is supposed to renegotiate a contractual agreement to accept less money so the promoter makes more? Since when do boxing fans accuse the fighter of ripping off the promoter? This is the most backwards view of the business of boxing I’ve ever heard. You believe that Crawford trying to bring an investor to the table to add money to the pot is shady bad business because of what? How? Who does it harm? If these points of view make you an expert on who is a good or bad business person then I would rather take business advice from Terence Crawford. You can’t claim to know what’s best for a person’s business if your only assessment is that the person has no worth. Thats a complete non starter. And him wanting approval power is smart business. His representatives would have been bad at their jobs for not asking for it, given the situation. He would have been getting paid a percentage of the net from a promoter that he is not affiliated with and does not look after his interests. If Al Haymon and PBC can’t find a way to alleviate such a basic concern then it probably means that they don’t have any intentions of dealing fairly.
And why do you care so much about his business in the first place. For spectators this is just a sporting event. This isn’t the stock market. I think the fact that all of y’all Spence apologists get so into negotiations and he said she said behind the scenes speculation is because Spence has said and done so many questionable and border line inexcusable things that y’all get desperate and even angry trying to defend him. Other side of the street, clean up my side of the street first, I don’t know why he was at my fight I would probably never go to none of his fights, negotiating money splits on twitter, getting up and shaking his head and running out of the arena when Crawford stopped Shawn Porter, making a list of excuses for Shawn Porter being stopped, kissing Manny Pacquiao’s a s s like a fan during his post fight interview in the ring but pretending to not know why Crawford was at his fight and etc. If I was trying to defend such a long list of questionable statements and actions I would be angry too. I wouldn’t start talking about irrelevant s h i t like his business acumen trying to come up with anything I can possibly think of to attack the guy though. But hey, thats just people like me I guess.

Everything is cliche that sheds light on Crawford and his avoiding the fight. I, as a spectator that just wants to see them fight for undisputed, I wish I wasn't so apt to all the negotiations. But of course, there's no way, if I follow the reporting of the fight, not to see the constant hold ups coming from one side, even up to now.

And to answer your question, no I wouldn't want a fighter to renegotiate himself to lose money and the promoter make more, but he could have done as Spence did and accept more on the back end instead of large guarantees, which would have made Arum more willing to invest on the bigger names and negotiate with Haymon, instead of shelling up and losing millions on mid-tier competition that didn't bring him any brand value, and kept Bud as a fighter that doesn't sell.

Also, yes, Bud trying to go around the lead promoter of the fight to make a deal with invisible hedge fund managers that no one else knows except him is extremely bad and shady. Crawford has never been, and is not a promoter, and if you're aware of his social media posts, isn't exactly the sharpest tool in the shed. That means that Haymon and TGB would have to trust and give a large percentage of the fight to someone they don't know, just because Bud says they're cool. That's ridiculous, and why would they want to involve anyone that had the possibility of making them look foolish at the conclusion of one of the biggest and most anticipated fights.

Oh, and there has never been a fighter in history of boxing that had the power of approval over expenses between the network and promoter; not Floyd, not Oscar, nor Roy, not Pacquiao. So why in hell does Crawford, who can't sell bread to a French toast kitchen, think that he would be given the right. He didn't, its a way out to fight a crash dummy like Avanesyen for a big check. I'm far from angry about it, I have too many real life responsibilities to get bent out of shape over athlete's ducking, but I am disappointed, as boxing is something I enjoy when I'm not working and taking care of my kids.

[peplz]

Not sure if this is sarcasm ?
Garcia didn't turn on him, he was (obviously) plied with questions by the media about Joshua's post-fight outburst and what's next for him and he was perhaps a touch too transparent with his answers. It lost him his gig but I respect his honesty.



The issue isn't who said it, the issue is how instead of just graciously accepting what was clearly intended as a compliment, Joshua went out of his way to get offended and spin it as some kind of veiled racist insult. Bizarre and quite pathetic really.

They asked Garcia about Maidana kicking and biting Mayweather in the fight and he defended Maidana. Why did he not do the same with Joshua?
Racism is rife in the world and in boxing. If you think that its so appalling for him to maybe read racism
into a comment made by a white person whether he’s right or wrong you are not living in reality.

And there is nothing that I wrote that could conceivably be read as sarcasm.

[A.B Counterhooks]

I understand and agree with coach garcia he definitely wasnt mean spirited in those comments but also maybe wasn't best idea to make them so publicly to all media.

Its true Aj is used to have all kind of yes men in his entourage there is no secret about it and perhaps he got upset cause its somewhat true , it seems joshua no longer fights with the same confidence as before, he has a very fragile ego for a big fella, truth hurts and stings.

Didn't saw any notable changes on aj's game with DL in his corner against a dude that really wasn't doing that much, it was a dull perfomance but we'll see if that duo truly paids off like garcia says it will. Personally, I think Joshua on a downhill from here on.