Comments Thread For: Robert Garcia Responds to Joshua: There Are Trainers That Are Yes-Men; I'm Not One of Them

[Roj]

Garcia isn't wrong about anything he's saying lol... and he's even giving credit where due, to another trainer.

Garcia is not only given a platform to speak, but usually a lot of this stuff comes from questions being asked... He's opinionated for sure, but he's also a world class trainer. You don't have to like everything he says, but he has more merit than you, me, or anyone else on this forum. And again, he's not wrong. I'm sure he moved to the UK because he was hired for a job, and I'm sure Joshua didn't want to train in Riverside. Even with all the millions, Garcia isn't someone training his fighters in some fancy ****ing gym. It's a built ****ing warehouse on some not so 'nice' property in Riverside California.

It's no secret that Joshua has been around yes men for probably his entire career.

You”re pretty much on the money, but do you really think Fury doesn’t have “yes men” around him, too? Do you think Frank Warren was really happy watching Fury sabotage a massively lucrative unification fight with Usyk with all of his repeated dumb, ridiculous and unhinged tweets? Is Warren happy about losing all of the money he spent reserving Wembley Stadium for a fight that’s not going to happen - and then being forced to run from one media outlet to another making embarrassing excuses for Fury’s behavior because Fury has gone underground because he’s sensitive and butthurt about the criticism he’s getting for wrecking the Usyk fight? If anyone is a “yes man” for anyone in boxing, Warren sure is one for Fury.

As far as Garcia, it’s time for him to let it go and move on.

[peplz]

Its amazing that out of all fighters that one with the most happy go lucky demeanor of them all gets the most negative comments. Deontay Wilder can be the biggest sore loser in the world and talk about how he wants to kill an opponent in the ring and no one holds it against him. Tyson Fury can lie, retire and return repeatedly, fight meaningless rematches and turn down championship fights over and over again and nobody holds it against him. Anthony Joshua can be a good sport about taking a close loss and congratulate his opponent and the whole boxing world will be in an uproar about him being too okay with losing. Then when he gets upset about losing his former trainer will come out and publicly criticize him and accuse him of losing his mind. Its crazy to see someone be targeted by the media and the industry in real time.

[Teetotaler69]

Don't hear much from Garcia aside from aj lately. He still training ortiz?

Also Garcia kinda fvkced up making those statements in public instead of actually telling the guy himself in private or at the gym

[Regge]

I'm sorry, but only a yes-man would move his arse from the US to the UK to train a fighter. And he was prepared to do it again.
Also, he talks too much.

Are you serious? Garcia is one of the nicest most experienced trainers you'll find. Joshua is an unstable unloyal pos.

[kafkod]

Of course a trainer needs to be honest with his fighter and tell him what he needs to be told, even if the fighter may not like hearing it. But that should be done in a private conversation, not via the media. It's a shame Garcia behaved in such an unprofessional manner, because AJ looked better in the Usyk rematch than I've ever seen him look before and now all that good work has been undone by Garcia running his mouth off to the press.

[peplz]

Here you go again with the Crawford propaganda, anyone that has been in tune with boxing in the last year, which is exactly when Spence called Bud's scary ass out and started trying to make the fight happen, can see that Crawford is trying to avoid this avoid or stop this fight so that he can continue getting paid large checks for mid-tier opponents. How many roadblocks is he going to put up before you take off the blinders???

Everytime it is said that they are nearing the contract being signed, Bud pulls something else out of his ass to why he doesn't want to. I used to be a fan, but Crawford is delusional to his worth and a complete idiot as a businessman. Now everyone sees why Arum couldn't wait to cut him loose, he's terrible for business, and is content with Avanesyen and Rocha, as long as someone is losing millions to pay him for them.

No one believes that Crawford is afraid to fight Spence, including you. The fact that you pulled out every cliche’ excuse that has been made for Spence shows that you don’t even believe what you say. He’s a terrible businessman is a cliché excuse. What boxer who is such a great businessman are you comparing him to? He is delusional about his worth is a cliché excuse. I guess since he is a three division world champion and former undisputed champion and P4P king you have to come up with some completely irrelevant standard to measure him by that gives Spence another excuse to try to negotiate money splits on Twitter and from “across the street”. Every time it is said that they are nearing a contract being signed he pulls something as to why he doesn’t want it is a fantasy excuse because they’ve only been in negotiations once. But I guess the one time can technically count for every time. And the best and most non sense cliché excuse is to bring up something about Bob Arum and what he said. Promoters lose and make money all of the time on all fighters. It has nothing to do with Spence trying to set contractual terms on social media. He never did that with any of his other opponents. David Avanesyan was a top ten contender who was on a knockout streak. Taking that fight is better than staying out of the ring waiting around to come to an agreement with a dude and an organization who has in the past tried to use social media and the boxing media to undermine his standing in the sport. And they’re obviously intentionally being very difficult to come to an agreement with because they don’t like the business arrangement. And Rocha has already moved on to look for another opponent. The mandatory did not get enforced and the purse bid deadline came and went. Obviously Crawford has no plans of fighting Alexis Rocha. You just threw his name out there to muddy the waters and bolster your argument with some subtle misinformation. And this speaks to my point. If you really believed all of these negative tropes about Terence Crawford’s willingness to face Errol Spence would you even feel the need to say misleading things to try to make your point? I doubt it.

[Roberto Vasquez]

Garcia just kept coming out with comment after comment about AJ. Even so what I've heard AJ say about Garcia has been very diplomatic.

It's basically Garcia's ego after taking a loss he had to blame someone but himself. AJ did his best in that fight. Usyk was just better

Not to mention Garcia was telling Aj he was winning every round in that fight and then he complained AJ didn't push himself more at the end. Weird!

The real issue here is every trainer thinks they can train Aj better than the last guy but in reality they can't. AJ is always going to have that weak chin. He has to fight in a certain way. And he's always been a pretty good boxer. He rarely gets hit hard on that chin. How many fighters have outboxed him? Only Usyk.

[PBAC]

I feel like Joshua never found his niche in terms of style. He couldn't decide if he wanted to be Wlad or Bruno.

[Rebelrbg]

No one believes that Crawford is afraid to fight Spence, including you. The fact that you pulled out every cliche’ excuse that has been made for Spence shows that you don’t even believe what you say. He’s a terrible businessman is a cliché excuse. What boxer who is such a great businessman are you comparing him to? He is delusional about his worth is a cliché excuse. I guess since he is a three division world champion and former undisputed champion and P4P king you have to come up with some completely irrelevant standard to measure him by that gives Spence another excuse to try to negotiate money splits on Twitter and from “across the street”. Every time it is said that they are nearing a contract being signed he pulls something as to why he doesn’t want it is a fantasy excuse because they’ve only been in negotiations once. But I guess the one time can technically count for every time. And the best and most non sense cliché excuse is to bring up something about Bob Arum and what he said. Promoters lose and make money all of the time on all fighters. It has nothing to do with Spence trying to set contractual terms on social media. He never did that with any of his other opponents. David Avanesyan was a top ten contender who was on a knockout streak. Taking that fight is better than staying out of the ring waiting around to come to an agreement with a dude and an organization who has in the past tried to use social media and the boxing media to undermine his standing in the sport. And they’re obviously intentionally being very difficult to come to an agreement with because they don’t like the business arrangement. And Rocha has already moved on to look for another opponent. The mandatory did not get enforced and the purse bid deadline came and went. Obviously Crawford has no plans of fighting Alexis Rocha. You just threw his name out there to muddy the waters and bolster your argument with some subtle misinformation. And this speaks to my point. If you really believed all of these negative tropes about Terence Crawford’s willingness to face Errol Spence would you even feel the need to say misleading things to try to make your point? I doubt it.

There's nothing cliche or misleading about what I have stated. If you find it as such, its because the news reported by the boxing media sickens you. We are not journalists and we are not insiders, so we must depend on what is being reported by the real journalists through their verification of their sources and information. Everything that I stated has been shown through Bud's history at 147 and reported continuously.

I didn't get into specifics because I have done that too many times on here to count, but, yes he is devoid of any reality when it comes to how deals are made and his worth, because he has priced himself out during the negotiations on numerous occasions. Crawford is used to large guarantees because he had a guaranteed amount for each fight in his Top Rank contracts. This upset Arum because Bud refused to renegotiate that money even when he knew that Bob would lose money in making the fights, because Bud is NOT A DRAW.

Even when Spence informed Bud that he wasn't getting a guarantee either, Crawford tried to go around Haymon and make an offer to Spence from some invisible hedge fund managers, that's called bad, shady business. Even after agreeing to the purse splits, he wanted so called transparency. But when they sent him the contract with all of the numbers, turns out he doesn't want transparency, he wants APPROVAL POWER over all of the expenses. He's full of shxt, and he has people like you that turn a blind eye and act like you don't smell it. He's doing more of the same right now, but I will save that for another one.

[Kannabis Kid]

Garcia just kept coming out with comment after comment about AJ. Even so what I've heard AJ say about Garcia has been very diplomatic.

It's basically Garcia's ego after taking a loss he had to blame someone but himself. AJ did his best in that fight. Usyk was just better

Not to mention Garcia was telling Aj he was winning every round in that fight and then he complained AJ didn't push himself more at the end. Weird!

The real issue here is every trainer thinks they can train Aj better than the last guy but in reality they can't. AJ is always going to have that weak chin. He has to fight in a certain way. And he's always been a pretty good boxer. He rarely gets hit hard on that chin. How many fighters have outboxed him? Only Usyk.

Typical British point of view, like none of this is on Joshua it can't be right?