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  • peplz
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    #41
    Originally posted by Rebelrbg

    Everything is cliche that sheds light on Crawford and his avoiding the fight. I, as a spectator that just wants to see them fight for undisputed, I wish I wasn't so apt to all the negotiations. But of course, there's no way, if I follow the reporting of the fight, not to see the constant hold ups coming from one side, even up to now.

    And to answer your question, no I wouldn't want a fighter to renegotiate himself to lose money and the promoter make more, but he could have done as Spence did and accept more on the back end instead of large guarantees, which would have made Arum more willing to invest on the bigger names and negotiate with Haymon, instead of shelling up and losing millions on mid-tier competition that didn't bring him any brand value, and kept Bud as a fighter that doesn't sell.

    Also, yes, Bud trying to go around the lead promoter of the fight to make a deal with invisible hedge fund managers that no one else knows except him is extremely bad and shady. Crawford has never been, and is not a promoter, and if you're aware of his social media posts, isn't exactly the sharpest tool in the shed. That means that Haymon and TGB would have to trust and give a large percentage of the fight to someone they don't know, just because Bud says they're cool. That's ridiculous, and why would they want to involve anyone that had the possibility of making them look foolish at the conclusion of one of the biggest and most anticipated fights.

    Oh, and there has never been a fighter in history of boxing that had the power of approval over expenses between the network and promoter; not Floyd, not Oscar, nor Roy, not Pacquiao. So why in hell does Crawford, who can't sell bread to a French toast kitchen, think that he would be given the right. He didn't, its a way out to fight a crash dummy like Avanesyen for a big check. I'm far from angry about it, I have too many real life responsibilities to get bent out of shape over athlete's ducking, but I am disappointed, as boxing is something I enjoy when I'm not working and taking care of my kids.
    Nothing that you said has shed any light on anything. You’ve just repeated the same cliché excuses that all the anti-Crawford YouTube channels and detractors in the comment section say. And they don’t even believe the s h i t that they say. I doubt that you’ve thought of any of this on your own. You have come up with an elaborate way to put the blame on the fighter and completely remove blame from the promoter. So now its Crawford’s fault that Bob Arum couldn’t get the fight made. Oddly enough Spence seemed very eager to fight Jeff Horn when he was the WBO champion and also promoted by Top Rank. His tune completely changed after Crawford got the belt.

    Coming up with fantasies about constant hold ups that don’t exist just comes off as desperate. They have only been in negotiations once. What are all of these hold ups that you have cooked up in your imagination. If Al Haymon is openly saying that he is not going to let anybody else touch the fight what else is there for him to talk to the “lead promoter” about? If Errol Spence is rejecting the proposal of having outside investors come in flatly on its face why does he need to know who they are? It was flatly rejected. There’s nothing else to talk about. So just because he didn’t tell the world the names of the investors its not shady bad business. It sounds like you’re really looking to have a problem with Crawford. The fact that you are emotionally invested in being against the guy just might cloud your perception of reality when it comes to this subject. And to correct one of your more stark misconceptions; most of Crawford’s fights have not been on Pay Per View. There is no way that he could have taken “more money on the backend”’ when he’s fighting on television. This whole irrelevant argument about him not being able sell is based on ignorance of the sport. If he’s not even fighting on Pay Per View for most of his fights what sells are you counting other than the gate and what backend is there to take more of? Don’t let anger and bias blind you. We all have fighters that we favor more than others. But its better for the sport if we all as fans stay grounded in reality. And trying to defend promoters and blame fighters is just a backward position for a boxing fan to take.

    And there is no way in the world for you to know whether any fighter in the history of the sport has been granted the right to approve or disapprove expenses for a fight promotion. Stop it. You definitely just made that up. But it just so happens that Stephen Espinoza is on video complaining about the hold up it caused when Floyd Mayweather wouldn’t approve certain expenses before the Pacquiao fight. So you’re clearly wrong about that one even though you just made that s h i t up in the first place.
    And talking about his social media posts to make an appraisal of his intelligence just shows that you have a personal dislike towards the guy that makes it impossible for you to talk about him with any appreciable degree of honesty. There are so many black kids from the hood that are deprived access to quality educational experiences and therefore struggle with literacy but are also highly intelligent and naturally gifted that you wouldn’t make comments like that if you realized how ignorant and insensitive it makes you sound.

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    • Roberto Vasquez
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      #42
      Originally posted by Kannabis Kid
      Typical British point of view, like none of this is on Joshua it can't be right?
      What Garcia says is his decision alone. It's got nothing to do with AJ how unprofessional the guy is.

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      • HeadShots
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        #43
        robert garcia is intellectually ****** though

        not sure why any top fighter would hire him.

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        • YOU WILL LOSE
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          #44
          garcia can say what he wants now after how horrible joshua looked against a much worse fighter,

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          • Boxingfanatic75
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            #45
            Originally posted by BlackRobb

            Bud has been chasing this COWARD for almost 5 years, you knob! Your boy hasn't fought or tried to fight since he stopped 78 year old Ugas. Instead, Earl has on his fake promoter's hat and hides behind Frank Martin. He will eventually have to defend his "straps" or vacate the division, chased away by a fighter who started at 135. #CAPSEASON #STANDDOWNPROMOTIONS #BLAMEBOB #BIGGOLDFISH
            WOW! Someone touched a nerve! Are you that emotionally invested in someone you’ve never met?

            unbelievable how unhinged people can become.

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            • BlackRobb
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              #46
              Originally posted by Rebelrbg

              Here you go again with the Crawford propaganda, anyone that has been in tune with boxing in the last year, which is exactly when Spence called Bud's scary ass out and started trying to make the fight happen, can see that Crawford is trying to avoid this avoid or stop this fight so that he can continue getting paid large checks for mid-tier opponents. How many roadblocks is he going to put up before you take off the blinders???

              Everytime it is said that they are nearing the contract being signed, Bud pulls something else out of his ass to why he doesn't want to. I used to be a fan, but Crawford is delusional to his worth and a complete idiot as a businessman. Now everyone sees why Arum couldn't wait to cut him loose, he's terrible for business, and is content with Avanesyen and Rocha, as long as someone is losing millions to pay him for them.
              Odd you say that because as I recall, it was Crawford who agreed to 35% just to get this fight made. If a three division once undisputed champ and P4P #1 is willing to take a ****ty 35%, don't you think the least he's entitled to is a little damn transparency from Al? This man has been chasing the Texas coward for almost 5 years. The right hasn't happened because neither Earl nor Al believe Spence can win this fight. But don't tell that to the Spence fan boys. They just start deflecting, gaslighting and moving the goalposts.

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              • Doubledagger
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                #47
                Garcia you're acting like a bish son.

                Why you still talking about Joshua? He moved on from you already so why you still bishing?

                Furthermore, you say you aint a yes man, that's good, but Joshua also aint one of your chumps that you can smack around and abuse without consequences.

                What does not being a yes man got to do with you slandering your own fighter and humiliating him publicly?

                All that ish you said could have been saif behind closed doors.

                You didn't have to so that in public.

                You acted like a bish and instead of owning up you still out here trying to justify yourself and slandering Joshua.

                Get a grip of your masculinity son and stop leaking that female energy.

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                • Rebelrbg
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                  #48
                  Originally posted by BlackRobb

                  Odd you say that because as I recall, it was Crawford who agreed to 35% just to get this fight made. If a three division once undisputed champ and P4P #1 is willing to take a ****ty 35%, don't you think the least he's entitled to is a little damn transparency from Al? This man has been chasing the Texas coward for almost 5 years. The right hasn't happened because neither Earl nor Al believe Spence can win this fight. But don't tell that to the Spence fan boys. They just start deflecting, gaslighting and moving the goalposts.
                  Bullshxt, he was sent a contract with all of the numbers, then BUD moved the goalposts. He wanted approval power for all expenses between the promotional companies and the network. Pacquiao, Floyd, Oscar, RRJ, Fury, Joshua, nor anyone else has EVER been given approval power over the promoter and network expenses. Who the fxck is Bud to make those demands when he only has one belt that he beat JEFF FXCKING HORN for, and he can't sell out a dive bar. To claim that he's been chasing Spence, he's putting up a hell of a lot of obstacles and roadblocks not to make it happen when it got real, and Errol actually called him out and came after him for the fight. Also, he's lucky to get 35 percent with one belt in 5 years, while Spence has fought 3 champions for 3 straps in the same time period, plus Errol is the only draw in the division.

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                  • Rebelrbg
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                    #49
                    Originally posted by peplz
                    Nothing that you said has shed any light on anything. You’ve just repeated the same cliché excuses that all the anti-Crawford YouTube channels and detractors in the comment section say. And they don’t even believe the s h i t that they say. I doubt that you’ve thought of any of this on your own. You have come up with an elaborate way to put the blame on the fighter and completely remove blame from the promoter. So now its Crawford’s fault that Bob Arum couldn’t get the fight made. Oddly enough Spence seemed very eager to fight Jeff Horn when he was the WBO champion and also promoted by Top Rank. His tune completely changed after Crawford got the belt.

                    Coming up with fantasies about constant hold ups that don’t exist just comes off as desperate. They have only been in negotiations once. What are all of these hold ups that you have cooked up in your imagination. If Al Haymon is openly saying that he is not going to let anybody else touch the fight what else is there for him to talk to the “lead promoter” about? If Errol Spence is rejecting the proposal of having outside investors come in flatly on its face why does he need to know who they are? It was flatly rejected. There’s nothing else to talk about. So just because he didn’t tell the world the names of the investors its not shady bad business. It sounds like you’re really looking to have a problem with Crawford. The fact that you are emotionally invested in being against the guy just might cloud your perception of reality when it comes to this subject. And to correct one of your more stark misconceptions; most of Crawford’s fights have not been on Pay Per View. There is no way that he could have taken “more money on the backend”’ when he’s fighting on television. This whole irrelevant argument about him not being able sell is based on ignorance of the sport. If he’s not even fighting on Pay Per View for most of his fights what sells are you counting other than the gate and what backend is there to take more of? Don’t let anger and bias blind you. We all have fighters that we favor more than others. But its better for the sport if we all as fans stay grounded in reality. And trying to defend promoters and blame fighters is just a backward position for a boxing fan to take.

                    And there is no way in the world for you to know whether any fighter in the history of the sport has been granted the right to approve or disapprove expenses for a fight promotion. Stop it. You definitely just made that up. But it just so happens that Stephen Espinoza is on video complaining about the hold up it caused when Floyd Mayweather wouldn’t approve certain expenses before the Pacquiao fight. So you’re clearly wrong about that one even though you just made that s h i t up in the first place.
                    And talking about his social media posts to make an appraisal of his intelligence just shows that you have a personal dislike towards the guy that makes it impossible for you to talk about him with any appreciable degree of honesty. There are so many black kids from the hood that are deprived access to quality educational experiences and therefore struggle with literacy but are also highly intelligent and naturally gifted that you wouldn’t make comments like that if you realized how ignorant and insensitive it makes you sound.
                    There's nothing ingnorant or insensitive about telling the truth, especially when I was one of those black kids that you speak of. I don't dislike Crawford, nor am I emotionally invested in either fighter because I don't know them personally, so I don't care enough about their regular lives to have an attachment. I am an avid boxing fan that wanted to see the 2 champions, which I liked but leaned towards Spence, settle the question of who is better and undisputed in the ring. Everything that I have stated came from facts and what was reported. I didn't make up shxt, just because you don't want to believe that Crawford did the things reported doesn't erase that it happened. Also, Floyd never had approval power over expenses as a fighter, he may have had some as a promoter with an exclusive deal with Showtime, but not the fighter.

                    The fact that he's not able to sell doesn't come from me, its been reported throughout his whole career, where have you been? Even his promoter said as much. You're trying to make this into a personal dislike I have for him, which is not true, I just stopped rooting for him because I feel like he's full of shxt and just is content at 147 to fight the guys that offer the least resistance for the most money.

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                    • CasperUK
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                      #50
                      Garcia's love for the camera and limelight got him canned.

                      Basically, Robert literally talked himself out of many multi-million dollar paydays.

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