Fury - Usyk is off.

[juggernaut666]

Saudi fight was never on they didn't want it yet. Why do you think Saudi made Tommy and Paul and not Usyk and Tyson.

And obviously UK fight is going to make a lot less than Saudi. His last fight was in Saudi.

His first fight with AJ was also a 70/30 split and 2nd one was 50/50. Same what he is being offered now.

Obviously Fury won't accept 70/30 in a rematch. He's likely to win but can lose bad judges or injury etc anything can happen otherwise your point you can make for Usyk; Accept 70/30 and no rematch if your so confident of winning Fury, be undisputed and off you go no more hassle. Here here isn't even being offered that he is being offered better remarch at 50/50 will be more than he still makes for any other fight he goes off to. Especually if the Saudi money comes back into play for a rematch

promoter, Frank Warren, spoke about the new date and advanced negotiations that are currently taking place in the coming week. He said in an interview with TalkSport:

“The fight will take place 100% in the last Saturday of April [April 29], where it takes place will be determined, I genuinely think in the next six or seven days maximum. Because if we can’t do what we’re being asked to do with Tyson [Fury] and Usyk then it’ll take place in the UK and we’ll have that time to promote it. We’ve got to make a deal”.

They didn’t want it ?

The determined place was Saudi that’s where both parties agreed and were waiting on Fury to sign but he got cold feet .


Usyk was a mandatory challenger with no belts so the split was 60/40 or 70/30 those were the rules depending where the fight took place under the WBO in the first fight .

The second fight was 50/50 because Usyk won and fought in the U.K that was the rematch clause. You cannot ask for an 80/20 split or a 50/50 if they want the same contract fir the Joshua fight either and be taking seriously .

[NorvernRob]

Tyson Fury = Number 1


Everyone is ganging up (Wilder & Joshua & Usyk teams) on the mighty undefeated Tyson Fury.


Tyson Fury beat Klitschko in Germany, Klitschko was unbeaten for 10 plus years and he (Wlad) tried every trick in the book - scales/hand wraps/ring canvas.

He went on to battle Deontay Wilder 3 times in America, officially winning twice. (Second and final fights were CLASSICS) Made himself known in America (Joshua couldn't lol)


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Then you realise he’s fought nobody else of note in all those years in between or before. His 3rd biggest win is who? 13 loss Chisora who never won a big fight? Or Whyte, already knocked cold by AJ 5+ years earlier when undefeated, and almost killed by an ancient Povetkin just 2 fights before? Wlad was almost 40 years old, and KO’d and retired in his next fight.

The guy is a mentally weak clown, who talks so much shît a large amount of his fans have now seen through him. He doesn’t want these fights. He never wanted the AJ fight and he doesn’t want the Usyk fight.

[PRINCEKOOL]

Then you realise he’s fought nobody else of note in all those years in between or before. His 3rd biggest win is who? 13 loss Chisora who never won a big fight? Or Whyte, already knocked cold by AJ 5+ years earlier when undefeated, and almost killed by an ancient Povetkin just 2 fights before? Wlad was almost 40 years old, and KO’d and retired in his next fight.

The guy is a mentally weak clown, who talks so much shît a large amount of his fans have now seen through him. He doesn’t want these fights. He never wanted the AJ fight and he doesn’t want the Usyk fight.

Tyson Fury to date has the two biggest wins in the Heavyweight division 'Kiltschko & Wilder'.

But apart from that? Fury predominately fights at domestic to high end European level.

For overall I think in the professional ranks, has been promoted and matched brilliantly 'Up until this point'.

Fury last two fights have no stylistic carry over, for fights vs Usyk or even Joshua.

It will be interesting to see who Fury fights next.

[Toffee]

50/50 offered in the rematch clause. Take it. Usyks own teams fault for accepting 70/30 and rushing Usyk to do a public video accepting it and now crying that they only meant 70/30 on the basis of the rematch too

You're holding him to an Instagram video like he signed a contract and now he's reneging.

Obviously he would only take 30% on the basis of the already agreed rematch. It's so obvious that even you should understand it.

Fury has always amazed me. He constantly underestimates (in my view) the intelligence of the general public and he's constantly proven right. People really are as dumb as he thinks they are.

He's lost a few more this time though. Even those with just a below average IQ have cottoned on to him.

That's not me making any assessment of his bravery or boxing ability. He could probably be truly great if he wanted to.

[davef]

You don't give yourself just 5 weeks to promote a fight of this magnitude

This fight isn't happening next month, it never was

Fury has conned the boxing fans once again

You're right you don't but the build up and hype has been selling it since Usyk beat AJ and Fury wanted it for last December until Usyk said he needs recovery

plus its all over social media now for the last few weeks everyones talking about it taking sides hoping it happens and they havent even needed to put money down yet on posters or press conference's

Pretty genius by both sides to keep more money in the pot right? This is the promotion and it's getting ppl talking more than any episode of 24/7 or presser ever could

[Richard]

I read yesterday that Usyks manager could see the fight going ahead in June possibly but not 70-30 split . Cant see it now though to be honest. Fury for me is the one more to blame for the collapse. Hes going to loose fans me included. I use to be a big fan of his ,no more.Still think he is a quality operator but on this occasion has let himself and the sporting world down.

[PerfectJab]

The thing is, Usyk has now put Fury in a difficult position not only with his image but also his career.

His image, especially in Britain, has taken a very big hit and then you look at his options for any sort of meaningful fights left:

Wilder(4), Chisora(4), White(2) or Wallin(2), Schwarz(2)
or facing AJ or Joe Joyce.

If he can't make a deal with Usyk how is he going to make a deal with AJ, who has no belts now but is very unlikely to accept a 30-ish / 70 split? He'll have to pay him more than Usyk.
And I don't think he fancies fighting Joe Joyce.

And he is in a difficult position because he fears retirement.
He wasn't in the gym preparing for Usyk (Sugar Hill wasn't training him, he says he was just using his gym for Okolie), Fury's in the gym to keep away the demons in his head.

[hugh grant]

Fury, I thought it was easy to make a fight with you? You always blamed josh, but I'm not sure now. You got 70-30 for this fight. Couldn't you give in to usyks other demands like give 1 million to Ukraine for every day delay?

[deathofaclown]

Saudi fight was never on they didn't want it yet. Why do you think Saudi made Tommy and Paul and not Usyk and Tyson.

And obviously UK fight is going to make a lot less than Saudi. His last fight was in Saudi.

His first fight with AJ was also a 70/30 split and 2nd one was 50/50. Same what he is being offered now.

Obviously Fury won't accept 70/30 in a rematch. He's likely to win but can lose bad judges or injury etc anything can happen otherwise your point you can make for Usyk; Accept 70/30 and no rematch if your so confident of winning Fury, be undisputed and off you go no more hassle. Here here isn't even being offered that he is being offered better remarch at 50/50 will be more than he still makes for any other fight he goes off to. Especually if the Saudi money comes back into play for a rematch

The Saudis did want the fight

They were negotiating separate contracts and Fury didnt reach a deal with them. I heard he was asking for close to £100m. Even Usyk's team said the amount Fury was asking from the Saudis was insane amounts.

It then brings into question if the fight was ever going to happen in the UK. If Fury was asking for so much from the middle east, there's no way he was gonna be satisfied with the fight in the UK. Even at 70/30 you in the UK he's probably not making more than £30m.

Even if Fury had wanted £50m from the Saudis, he still was never going to be satisfied with the UK purse was he?

Also, this is using Fury as the example, but it probably applies to everyone involved. Usyk's team also probably had more on the table in the middle east and wouldn't have been happy taking much less in the UK.

When you weigh it all up, the fight was highly unlikely to happen next month in London.

In my opinion, if they ever try to make the fight again, they'll explore the Saudi route again and Fury may be more reasonable with his guarantee now that its evident this fight is never happening in London.

[deathofaclown]

Fury, I thought it was easy to make a fight with you? You always blamed josh, but I'm not sure now. You got 70-30 for this fight. Couldn't you give in to usyks other demands like give 1 million to Ukraine for every day delay?

I don't see why he should have to donate to charity. You can't demand that on anybody, it had nothing to do with boxing. Charity is a choice. You can't force people to be held to a political viewpoint and give money.

Usyk turned down the 50-50 rematch split, thats was the final straw.