Fury - Usyk is off.

[PerfectJab]

Sugar Hill didn't even talk with Fury about the fight. When he arrived Fury "put me on notice that possibly this fight might happen, and that was pretty much it"
So much for him and his "training camp"...

"I spend plenty of time with Tyson, now it's Lawrence Okolie's time"
Sugar Hill sounds very disinterested in what Fury does or doesn't do. He's moved on.

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promoter, Frank Warren, spoke about the new date and advanced negotiations that are currently taking place in the coming week. He said in an interview with TalkSport:

“The fight will take place 100% in the last Saturday of April [April 29], where it takes place will be determined, I genuinely think in the next six or seven days maximum. Because if we can’t do what we’re being asked to do with Tyson [Fury] and Usyk then it’ll take place in the UK and we’ll have that time to promote it. We’ve got to make a deal”.

They didn’t want it ?

The determined place was Saudi that’s where both parties agreed and were waiting on Fury to sign but he got cold feet .


Usyk was a mandatory challenger with no belts so the split was 60/40 or 70/30 those were the rules depending where the fight took place under the WBO in the first fight .

The second fight was 50/50 because Usyk won and fought in the U.K that was the rematch clause. You cannot ask for an 80/20 split or a 50/50 if they want the same contract fir the Joshua fight either and be taking seriously .

The Saudis didn't want it yet. Do you really think Fury would say no, even a lower of then expected from Saudi would likely be more than the uk fight will generate. Frank sland Bib said Saudis said they wouldn't be able to build an arena in time by May

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Saudi fight was never on they didn't want it yet. Why do you think Saudi made Tommy and Paul and not Usyk and Tyson.

And obviously UK fight is going to make a lot less than Saudi. His last fight was in Saudi.

His first fight with AJ was also a 70/30 split and 2nd one was 50/50. Same what he is being offered now.

Obviously Fury won't accept 70/30 in a rematch. He's likely to win but can lose bad judges or injury etc anything can happen otherwise your point you can make for Usyk; Accept 70/30 and no rematch if your so confident of winning Fury, be undisputed and off you go no more hassle. Here here isn't even being offered that he is being offered better remarch at 50/50 will be more than he still makes for any other fight he goes off to. Especually if the Saudi money comes back into play for a rematch

You are comparing apples and oranges.

Usyk was a mandatory challenger vs Joshua and was going to get 20% per WBO rules. Instead Joshua gave him 30% for the first fight and 50% in the rematch, which is a great deal for a challenger, especially against AJ.

Usyk is now the unified champion, holding 3 of the belts besides being the undisputed cruiserweight champion. Also, in his last fight he made about what Fury's made from all 3 Wilder fights together. And his UK PPV numbers are actually higher than Fury's.

He already bent backwards and took a huge pay cut by accepting a 70/30 split in order to make the undisputed fight happen. Why should he compromise again for the rematch by agreeing to 50/50 if he wins and 80/20 if he loses?

As you said the rematch clause is needed as injuries and robberies do happen often in boxing. And if anyone is going to get robbed in the UK on a Frank Warren show, you can bet it won't be Fury. They were already trying to rob Usyk blind in the negotiations.

As for the Saudis, the fight did not happen there for one reason only - Fury reportedly asked for crazy money and priced himself out, that is what fighters do when they don't want to fight. Krassyak already confirmed this and said a small delay in building the stadium would not have been an issue.

[deathofaclown]

Sugar Hill didn't even talk with Fury about the fight. When he arrived Fury "put me on notice that possibly this fight might happen, and that was pretty much it"
So much for him and his "training camp"...

"I spend plenty of time with Tyson, now it's Lawrence Okolie's time"
Sugar Hill sounds very disinterested in what Fury does or doesn't do. He's moved on.

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Sugar Hill and Okolie were in the gym with Fury last week, so he definitely was working with him. Obviously not now because the fight is off

But Fury has been with his strength and conditioning coach and his nutritionist for weeks, and Sugar Hill joined them last week. So they certainly were expecting a fight, whether it was against Usyk or not is another matter.

[deathofaclown]

And his UK PPV numbers are actually higher than Fury's.

There's no proof of that. Neither Sky or BT have ever released PPV numbers in their history.

Usyk may have done big PPV numbers in the UK but its because AJ was in the other corner.

It's like me telling you Maidana was a bigger draw than Canelo because Maidana's fights with Floyd had more PPV buys than Canelo v Liam Smith, completely disregarding that the reason is Mayweather.

Let's be realistic, Fury sells out stadiums as the A side

You're telling me Usyk v Dubois will be in a 94,000 capacity stadium like a Fury fight? - Nope, itll be in a much smaller indoor arena. That's all you need to know about their respective popularity and ability to draw numbers.

These are facts

[PerfectJab]

Sugar Hill and Okolie were in the gym with Fury last week, so he definitely was working with him. Obviously not now because the fight is off

But Fury has been with his strength and conditioning coach and his nutritionist for weeks, and Sugar Hill joined them last week. So they certainly were expecting a fight, whether it was against Usyk or not is another matter.

Sorry, that's incorrect

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Watch the whole interview. Sugar Hill says that he was only in the UK for Okolie and was leaving the 28th.

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Usyk said the rematch clause was an issue on Fury's end

That turns out to be FALSE

and it's Usyk wanting a rematch that ruined it

Contradictory much.

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There's no proof of that. Neither Sky or BT have ever released PPV numbers in their history.

Usyk may have done big PPV numbers in the UK but its because AJ was in the other corner.

It's like me telling you Maidana was a bigger draw than Canelo because Maidana's fights with Floyd had more PPV buys than Canelo v Liam Smith, completely disregarding that the reason is Mayweather.

Let's be realistic, Fury sells out stadiums as the A side

You're telling me Usyk v Dubois will be in a 94,000 capacity stadium like a Fury fight? - Nope, itll be in a much smaller indoor arena. That's all you need to know about their respective popularity and ability to draw numbers.

These are facts

There may be no official PPV numbers released but they are unofficial numbers floating around.

Both AJ-Usyk fights reportedly did over 1.2M PPV buys, while Warren is quite mum about the Whyte & Chisora fights' numbers. Guess why? If they did over a million buys, it would have been all over the news, instead Warren seems to have a loss of memory when he's asked about it.

Krassyuk just said yesterday that he has seen the official numbers for the Chisora fight and that they were the same as the Usyk-Chisora fight.. And that was just Usyk's second fight at heavyweight, while Fury's fight was at the peak of his popularity.

Regarding ticket sales, in the UK the gate contributes just a small part to the pot. And you seem to think those fights sold out just because of Fury. In the UK, both Whyte and Chisora are big draws and have large fanbases, and actually both have reportedly sold about the same or more UK PPVs than Fury.

As for Usyk-Debois, we don't know if it would happen at all, let alone how well it would do. And Dubois is just a prospect, he's only fought in small arenas and never done a PPV so I don't see how that is relevant at all.