Boxers that "miss the weight", fight in the wrong division

[anonymous2.0]

Boxers will still do drastic weight cuts even with same day weigh ins. I like the IBF rule for title fights, the second day weigh in where you're only allowed to put 10% weight back on, they should make that a standard.

[Roadblock]

Boxers will still do drastic weight cuts even with same day weigh ins. I like the IBF rule for title fights, the second day weigh in where you're only allowed to put 10% weight back on, they should make that a standard.

And if your 25% dehydrated before that your still fighting dry, and if the weighin is in the morning it will change a lot by fight time, they need to measure hydration levels and force them to operate within a set percentage that's medically within limits for that person's system..

[PRINCEKOOL]

The reason they changed the same day weighin rules was because fighters were going into fights semi dehydrated which is very dangerous, same day weighin is not the end all perfect answer, they must find a dehydration measuring system that can be enforced so that fighters neither abuse the 30hr limit or fight dehydrated, the only real way to solve it is to blood test hydration percentages and have a set percentage you must be which would cut out any fluctuation of fluids, that hydration point is your division, the way it is all guesswork by shedding as much water as possible then try and put it all back, the problem is the body doesn't work like this as once you hit a certain point it wont go back into the cells without IV fluids so its a very fine line fighters sit on.

Fighters in past era's under the same day weigh in rule, were not weight draining themselves to the extent that happens in today's game 'That is a 1000% fact'.

I have read many historic books on the sport of boxing, and the topic of weight draining has never been documented in great detail 'And the reason why it was not documented, was because there was no toxic weight draining culture under the same day weigh in rule'.

Is the toxic culture of weight draining, more of a issue now than it was under the same day weigh in rule? The answer to that question is YES.

Weight draining that exist in the sport of boxing like we witness it today 'Is a modern phenomenon in the sport, this is what YOU and everyone else needs to understand and accept'.

But regardless if I don't agree with your post entirely 'The information and solutions you are talking in your post are really good, because YOU are aware Roadblock that there is a issue'.

And if you are honest with yourself, you know? That the day before weigh in rule, bolsters the environment for any fighter that wants to opportunistically weight drain themselves 'And attempt to gain some sort of perceived advantage, that may work out for them in the short term to a certain extent'.

But over the long term, weight draining tactics will have a overall negative effect on a fighters condition and performance.

The boxers in this modern era who have had the best longevity or who have maintained their form with no distinct drop off in performance 'Have all been fighters that have not used weight draining tactics to the extreme'.

Fighters such as Floyd Mayweather Junior, Carl Froch, Bernard Hopkins these were all fighters who fought close to their natural weight at all times.

The lower weight divisions in the sport of boxing today 'The competition for me is not pure, and definitely is not as good as past era's'.

And one of the main reasons for this is because, nobody knows what they are watching 'Fighters are fighting in weight classes, that they would not of been able to compete in during past era's under the same day weigh in rule'.

If the toxic weight draining culture in boxing was tackled, it would improve the competition and condition of the fighters within the lower weight divisions 'I honestly don't think there is anybody who could disagree with me on that point'.

[Roadblock]

Fighters in past era's under the same day weigh in rule, were not weight draining themselves to the extent that happens in today's game 'That is a 1000% fact'.

I have read many historic books on the sport of boxing, and the topic of weight draining has never been documented in great detail 'And the reason why it was not documented, was because there was no toxic weight draining culture under the same day weigh in rule'.

Is the toxic culture of weight draining, more of a issue now than it was under the same day weigh in rule? The answer to that question is YES.

Weight draining that exist in the sport of boxing like we witness today 'Is a modern phenomenon in the sport, this is what YOU and everyone else needs to understand and accept'.

But regardless if I don't agree with your post entirely 'The information and solutions you are talking in your post are really good, because YOU are aware Roadblock that there is a issue'.

And if you are honest with yourself, you know? That the day before weigh in rule, bolsters the environment for any fighter that wants to opportunistically weight drain themselves 'To attempt to gain some sort of perceived advantage, that may work out for them in the short term to a certain extent'.

But over the long term, weight draining tactics will have a overall negative effect on a fighters condition and performance.

The boxers in this modern era who have had the best longevity or who have maintain their form with no distinct drop off in performance 'Have all been fighters that have not used weight draining tactics to the extreme'.

Fighters such as Floyd Mayweather Junior, Carl Froch, Bernard Hopkins these were all fighters who fought close to their natural weight at all times.

The lower weight divisions in the sport of boxing today 'The competition for me is not pure, and definitely is not as good as past era's'.

And one of the main reasons for this is because, nobody knows what they are watching 'Fighters are fighting in weight classes, that they would not of been able to compete in during past era's under the same day weigh in rule'.

If the toxic weight draining culture in boxing was tackled, it would improve the competition and conditions of the fighters within the lower weight divisions 'I honestly don't think their is anybody who could disagree with me on that point'.

It was the pressure from the medical industry that forced the day before weighin, they did it because too many fighters were fighting dehydrated which increased the risk of brain damage significantly, not all fighters that's throwing a blanket, but enough of them so that it caused concern which ultimately pressured the rule changes, and it was the biggest fights and upper level of the sport where it was happening because they were playing the unsaid rule of fighting to be the biggest you can be at the same weight.

You may have researched this but I find it hard to figure out its result without knowing the true hydration level of fighters as they step into the ring, it cant be known accurately without a blood test if safe hydration is the end goal.

Just to add you've got to research the medical records and trends of boxing, not the historical records of fighters and their excerpts.

[PRINCEKOOL]

It was the pressure from the medical industry that forced the day before weighin, they did it because too many fighters were fighting dehydrated which increased the risk of brain damage significantly, not all fighters that's throwing a blanket, but enough of them so that it caused concern which ultimately pressured the rule changes, and it was the biggest fights and upper level of the sport where it was happening because they were playing the unsaid rule of fighting to be the biggest you can be at the same weight.

You may have researched this but I find it hard to figure out its result without knowing the true hydration level of fighters as they step into the ring, it cant be known accurately without a blood test if safe hydration is the end goal.

Just to add you've got to research the medical records and trends of boxing, not the historical records of fighters and their excerpts.

Sugar Ray Robinson, was not gaining 10-20 pounds after the fight weigh in 'Under the same day weigh in rule' NONE of the top level old school fighters were using extreme weight draining tactics 'Because quite simply it was not a part of boxing culture during those era's, nowhere near to the extent that it is in the Sport today'.

Roadblock, these posts you are making are really good 'Accept for the fact, that you cannot seem to accept or understand? That the altering of the original same day weigh in rules, HAS not improved the sport in the lower weight divisions'.

You have fighters claiming to be Welterweights, but on fight night they are Super Middle-Weights 'That type of weight differential did not take place, under the same day weigh in rule'.

Note: Your perception of boxing history seems to be different from mine 'You seem to believe that weight draining culture has always been a big part of the sport'. When in reality, it is a completely modern phenomenon that has sky rocketed SINCE the introduction of the day before weigh in rule.

But there is one thing that we agree on 'You understand that it is a toxic methodology, and that the sport has a issue'.

I have just been reading a article about Gennady Golovkin and when one of his opponents refused to participate in the IBF same day check weigh in.

Under the IBF rules back then as I read it 'A fighter during the check weigh in, is not allowed to weigh in more than 10 pounds above the weight limit'.

What does this information show you? It shows you that even these check weigh ins, that are enforced on fight day 'Hinder a fighters ability to weight drain themselves' And this is why some fighters may try to not participate in them.

NOW, lets factor in that under the same day weigh in rule 'A fighter was required to make the weight limit'.

It is to me commonsense, that those requirements and stipulations 'Are going to deter fighters from weight draining themselves extensively'.

Because the sporting environment will be altered in such a way 'That those type of behaviors and training methodologies cannot gain traction'.

Note: Under the same day weigh in rules, fighters will have decide 'Whether they want to train and compete at their best or not'. Like I have stated in past posts, fighters will learn real quick 'If the current weigh in rules where altered to specifically tackle the toxic weight draining culture'.

I personally think it is a big issue in the sport, and to tackle this culture 'Is what is best for the fighters in the sport at all levels'.

I believe I have said enough on this topic.

[low blows]

Fighters in past era's under the same day weigh in rule, were not weight draining themselves to the extent that happens in today's game 'That is a 1000% fact'.

I have read many historic books on the sport of boxing, and the topic of weight draining has never been documented in great detail 'And the reason why it was not documented, was because there was no toxic weight draining culture under the same day weigh in rule'.

Is the toxic culture of weight draining, more of a issue now than it was under the same day weigh in rule? The answer to that question is YES.

Weight draining that exist in the sport of boxing like we witness it today 'Is a modern phenomenon in the sport, this is what YOU and everyone else needs to understand and accept'.

But regardless if I don't agree with your post entirely 'The information and solutions you are talking in your post are really good, because YOU are aware Roadblock that there is a issue'.

And if you are honest with yourself, you know? That the day before weigh in rule, bolsters the environment for any fighter that wants to opportunistically weight drain themselves 'And attempt to gain some sort of perceived advantage, that may work out for them in the short term to a certain extent'.

But over the long term, weight draining tactics will have a overall negative effect on a fighters condition and performance.

The boxers in this modern era who have had the best longevity or who have maintained their form with no distinct drop off in performance 'Have all been fighters that have not used weight draining tactics to the extreme'.

Fighters such as Floyd Mayweather Junior, Carl Froch, Bernard Hopkins these were all fighters who fought close to their natural weight at all times.

The lower weight divisions in the sport of boxing today 'The competition for me is not pure, and definitely is not as good as past era's'.

And one of the main reasons for this is because, nobody knows what they are watching 'Fighters are fighting in weight classes, that they would not of been able to compete in during past era's under the same day weigh in rule'.

If the toxic weight draining culture in boxing was tackled, it would improve the competition and condition of the fighters within the lower weight divisions 'I honestly don't think there is anybody who could disagree with me on that point'.

Weight draining was and wasn't the fighters used to go in the sweat box to drain a few pounds off but during camp guys used have POW diets and low carb diets to make weight or to be leaner as even heavyweights like Rocky Marciano ate soup diets during training camp.

I too don't like this crap, Ramirez is the size of a 1950's heavyweight for most of his fights at 168 and now 175??? Something is wrong with that and being so much overweight points to never trying to be at weight the non drying out way.

[GhostofDempsey]

Tank lost his 130 title on the scales. He couldn’t weight bully anymore and had no choice to move up. He struggles to make 135. Much of that is body type. Despite how short he is, his body type wasn’t meant to drain down to lighter weights.

Discipline is the other part of it. If you agree to make weight with an 8-12 week training camp you shouldn’t have any excuses, or else you just don’t belong at that weight.

[STREET CLEANER]

This is a practice that has been done for a while. The younger the fighter the more they can cut. I am in for same day weigh ins but there was a safety reason why it was moved to the day before. They should be some kind of rehydration limit but that is never going to happen until someone really gets hurt or dies.

[Roadblock]

Sugar Ray Robinson, was not gaining 10-20 pounds after the fight weigh in 'Under the same day weigh in rule' NONE of the top level old school fighters were using extreme weight draining tactics 'Because quite simply it was not a part of boxing culture during those era's, nowhere near to the extent that it is in the Sport today'.

Roadblock, these posts you are making are really good 'Accept for the fact, that you cannot seem to accept or understand? That the altering of the original same day weigh in rules, HAS not improved the sport in the lower weight divisions'.

You have fighters claiming to be Welterweights, but on fight night they are Super Middle-Weights 'That type of weight differential did not take place, under the same day weigh in rule'.

Note: Your perception of boxing history seems to be different from mine 'You seem to believe that weight draining culture has always been a big part of the sport'. When in reality, it is a completely modern phenomenon that has sky rocketed SINCE the introduction of the day before weigh in rule.

But there is one thing that we agree on 'You understand that it is a toxic methodology, and that the sport has a issue'.

I have just been reading a article about Gennady Golovkin and when one of his opponents refused to participate in the IBF same day check weigh in.

Under the IBF rules back then as I read it 'A fighter during the check weigh in, is not allowed to weigh in more than 10 pounds above the weight limit'.

What does this information show you? It shows you that even these check weigh ins, that are enforced on fight day 'Hinder a fighters ability to weight drain themselves' And this is why some fighters may try to not participate in them.

NOW, lets factor in that under the same day weigh in rule 'A fighter was required to make the weight limit'.

It is to me commonsense, that those requirements and stipulations 'Are going to deter fighters from weight draining themselves extensively'.

Because the sporting environment will be altered in such a way 'That those type of behaviors and training methodologies cannot gain traction'.

Note: Under the same day weigh in rules, fighters will have decide 'Whether they want to train and compete at their best or not'. Like I have stated in past posts, fighters will learn real quick 'If the current weigh in rules where altered to specifically tackle the toxic weight draining culture'.

I personally think it is a big issue in the sport, and to tackle this culture 'Is what is best for the fighters in the sport at all levels'.

I believe I have said enough on this topic.

You begin your argument by naming a fighter, you cannot be specific in this debate because people are not the same and sometimes the difference is a world apart and youre talking about something that in early days was never tested other than a skin pinch test and eye test, ah you got a headache here take an aspirin fights on, regarding weight one guy can lose and regain a massive amount of water and another guy cant lose anywhere near that amount without his system locking up or slowing down normal rehydration, that's not because of water, its the balance of water and minerals which has far-ranging effects on performance in many ways from cramping to slowed reaction time at the nerve level, water is only half the story its only a carrier and pressure regulator by volume.

But anyway what Im saying is same day weighin does not guarantee a guy is not still dehydrated, there is a flip side to hydration in that you can be over wet, which makes its own set of issues in a fight, the best place is ever so slightly dry, this holds for fighting dogs as well as humans so it must be a truth dogs don't lie, then the higher the competition the more they tried to push the size/weighclass/level of dryness paradigm which was happening in fight sports, fighting has always been evolving with rules and goal posts were moved, there is no rule fits all that will guarantee a fighter is at his most efficient and healthiest fluid levels without lab testing for it, and this could be apart of getting your boxing learners licence, you give blood before and after a fight and its tested, on that result your next fight must be in this weight class, here is your full licence to box, see you next year and its done again, its

Its like same day weighin, 30hr rule, morning weighin rule etc , all fix and fit the problem like a slong in a bucket, they all have good intentions and elements that is better but none close any loopholes at all.

I don't know what you getting shrty about its only exchanging ideas.


Just to add as a late connection, was pit dogs were always very close to fighters, from Corbett to Roy Jones they have been a cross reference for their owners they experiment with conditioning with their dogs and follow on themself what worked on the dogs, this how weight was being worked out that its best to be very slightly dry, and they achieved this by packing in salt and then leaving salt out of the diet, this effects the osmotic pressure controlling fluid volume/mineral balance, so using salt they effectively control level of hrdation, crude but it worked for them.

this is not really about boxing its physiology.

[PRINCEKOOL]

Roadblock

I do not condone animal cruelty, so those comments are completely irrelevant.

For anybody who disputes the fact that old school fighters did not weight drain themselves to the extent 'That we witness in today's sport'.

I want you all just to briefly watch and listen to the historic information 'Dominic Ingle, shares in this video regarding fighters weighing in on the same day, and how this effected their training'.

This video is 1000% proof, that the same day weigh in rule did help prevent fighters from using weight draining tactics to a extreme extent. I don't think there is anybody who can dispute this fact of boxing history.

But I will state this? If fighters still want to weight drain themselves while under such rules 'They will learn real quick, because of the consequences'. Then this will also once again prove that this is a culture issue within the sport 'And the way to tackle that is through education, and ultimately fighters and participants in the sport understanding the negative consequences of weight draining'.

Ether people want to carry on ignoring history or they can use commonsense combined with accepting the 1000% fact 'That the weight draining culture we see today in the sport, is a completely modern phenomenon that has been bolstered and sky rocketed since the introduction of the same day weigh in rule'.

As I have stated before on this thread, I have pretty much stated all that I needed to state on this topic.

'Dominic Ingle, speaks about how the same day weigh in rule 'Stopped fighters from using weight draining tactics extensively' 5 Minute mark and on wards.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8086FLeXmaI