Vitali Klitschko Dominates Chris Arreola, TKO in Ten

[Dave Rado]

The only problem i have with that fight is that Douglas was actually knocked out... And the greatest upset in HW history happened only because of the referees` mistake

No, Douglas's job was to listen to the count, and to get up when he heard the count get to 8. Which he did. He beat the count. If the count hadn't started slightly late, there's no evidence whatsoever that he wouldn't still have beaten the count. A fighter is not supposed to keep his own count, when knocked down, he is supposed to listen to the referee's count.

[NachoMan]

M-m-m maybe i should come back and watch stout Foreman fighting for Evanders` title? Or stout Ali fighting for Holmeses` title? Or stout Galento fighting Louis???

Tell me that fatties do not fight in boxing

Or maybe Arreola/Vit was worse than... say Ali/Bugner?

If so, we just have really different points of view as for the sport of boxing

I don't recall stating that fatties can't fight. I simply stated that last night's fight was nothing close to great... or even good. The bar for the heavyweights has been knocked to the floor. Fans of this sport whose memories of great fights past have faded don't recognize **** fights and **** fighters for what they are. They go on and on using superlatives like "masterful," "virtuoso," and "ATG" for every other fight and fighter they see. It is getting ridiculous.

[DigitalBeast]

Well, then there is no excuse for your ignorance.

It isn't ignorance. If anything, you can be accused of the same, seeing that he never fought the likes of Ali and Frasier. Frasier had a big problem with Foreman, who may be even slower than Vitaly. Frasier gave major problems to Ali. I'm sticking to what I said, like it or not.

[Dave Rado]

Hey Dave, how have you been? I hope well.

Klitschko looked amazing @ 38 huh? He is a bit unorthodox with his foot movement and style, but he is super effective. He put on a heavyweight version of a typical Mayweather clinic. He never allowed Cris to hit him clean other than maybe one punch and that one was about an inch from being blocked as well. I think somefighters have a sixth sense about being hit and their opponents offense. He seemed like he could always get a glove in front of Arreola's punches no matter where his hands were at , at the moment. He could be throwing a shot and have his right fully extended and get it back in place to block a left hook before it could land. That was brilliant. Arreola had good handspeed for a heavyweight and to shut him down like that is no easy task. I gaurantee Haye wouldn't have lasted ten in there.

Anyhow, take er easy.

Hi Chase. I'm well, thanks, I hope you are too. I'm not sure about the Mayweather analogy, but I agree he put on a clinic, and that his fitness and sharpness are amazing given his age - although the fact he's had relatively few fights and only one war probably plays a part in why he is ageing so well. And I agree that he does seem to have a sixth sense.

[pugay_kamay]

Oh no bro I have to disagree big time. Ali IMO is the greatest HW of all time. And, he was just too fast, too smart, and too good. Even before he suspended when he was a young Cassius Clay. Was super fast that I he woud of made Klitschko bro's quit and not by punishment. But, by embarrassment. Joe Frazies would beat him. The way Joe would get low and and have the bob and weave going for him. And, he would get inside and land that huge left hook.

The HW of the 70's was so deep that I don't think that the Klitscko's would top 10. I think in the 80's they could of been top 10. But, I also think the young Tyson. The late 80's version of Tyson. Would of beaten the Klitschko's. Again Tyson bob and weave style and very quick hands and 1 punch KO power would be too much for Klischko. And, maybe they could of been in the top 10 in the 90's. Maybe.

To be an ATG. You have to be great in every era. They would of not been great in every era. They probably would been top fighters in some era's but not every era's but not every. And, I am not trying to come out as me dissin the Klitschko's. I respect them. I think they are the most dominate of this era. And, I don't think the fans will truly appreciate them until they retire just Lennox Lewis. But, to say ATG is just going too far. And, Vitaly lossed to Lewis and Lewis is not a top 5HW I am not even sure if he is top 10. I will have to think about it. No man I am sorry I just can't see it.

Vitaly did not lost to Lewis, he was robbed! Vitaly is the same reason Lewis turned down the 20mil rematch offer and proceed to retirement instead.

Lewis fought a shot Tyson and i think one of the fights with Holyfield was robbed also. I don't consider Lewis one of HW ATG.

[DigitalBeast]

Like you said he was beating an old Lennox Lewis. And, an out of shape Lewis. And, Lewis still won. Is not like that cut was caused by a headbutt. It was caused by a punch. If that fight would of kept going Vitaly eye might of fallen out. That was a nasty cut. A prime Vitaly couldn't bet an old Lewis. And, by the way Lewis is a borderline ATG.

I saw what an old Vitaly did to Arreola. But, I also can imagine what Lewis would do to Arreola, or Bowe, or Holyfield, I am not even sure Arreola could beat the 90' version of Foreman. I think an Arreola-Moore fight would be interesting. Moore was better skilled but had a glass jaw. So if Arreola landed something it might be goodnight. But, this just the HWs of the 90's. And, I don't think that Arreola hangs. So why would I think that after this performance that Vitaly could hang with the 90's HW let alone ATG HW.

I was talking about the 80's version of Tyson. The Kevin Rooney trained version. That one who moved his head, the one who was 5'11 and got as low as 5'6 to get inside the reach, the one who had hand and foot speed, and the one who was a devastation body puncher. Also Vitaly like to fight with his mouth open. The 80 version Tyson would of broken his jaw.

Was Vitaly not a late replacement? Was Vitaly not the same age as Lennox was yesterday? In their fight, Vitaly could have continued, so he was prevented from winning. Possibly, yes, but still prevented. That fight could be called unfinished.

Did Lennox not fight Bowe and Holyfield?

You can think that Tyson would have broken his jaw, but I can think otherwise. I saw the young Tyson in action, so no need to describe him. He was an animal, sure, but Vitaly simply towers over him. I believe there are pictures of them together. Look it up. I stick to what I said.

[Dave Rado]

I don't recall stating that fatties can't fight. I simply stated that last night's fight was nothing close to great... or even good. The bar for the heavyweights has been knocked to the floor. Fans of this sport whose memories of great fights past have faded don't recognize **** fights and **** fighters for what they are. They go on and on using superlatives like "masterful," "virtuoso," and "ATG" for every other fight and fighter they see. It is getting ridiculous.

Stop being so ridiculously patronising. Plenty of boxing experts who saw the great fights of the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s and 90s, rate Vitali very highly indeed. Just because you don't doesn't mean that anyone who does is ignorant. He has an unorthodox style, but it is extremely effective, and it's not a stretch to call him masterful at his own style.

Cliff Rold, who is one of the world's most respected boxing writers, recently wrote an article asking whether time was running out for Vitali to be considered an ATG - basically arguing that it's only his lack of decent opponents and his lack of longevity as a champion that is preventing his from reaching ATG status. And Rold's view on this is fairly typical among serious boxing experts.

And this was the best fight either of the Klitschkos has been in for several years. Arreola put Vitali under intense pressure for several rounds, even though he lost all of those rounds. It's very rare that anyone puts either Klitschko under real pressure, even for one round.

Calling Vitali, who is arguably the dominant heavyweight of his era "every fighter" is just idiotic, and so is calling the best fight either Klitschko has been in for several years "every fight".

[Dave Rado]

Vitaly did not lost to Lewis, he was robbed!

Most ridiculous post in this thread.

[DigitalBeast]

Saying Lewis was "kinda (sic) old, but so is Vitaly (sic) now" is curious. The issue Lewis had in that fight wasn't age, though he was 37, but rather dedication. Lewis hadn't fought in a year after the Tyson victory. He was a big celebrity for it, and was partying it up like a celebrity, not a fighter. Then, he trained for Kirk Johnson, a shorter, serviceable HW, in preparation for a big money fight (Tyson II, Jones Jr., whomever). Johnson got injured, and Vitali was his replacement. Most telling, though, was Lewis weighing in at 256.5 lbs and looking sluggish as **** in the first couple of rounds of that fight. That said, Vitali took advantage and had Lewis hurt early on. But, if you recall (or, if you haven't seen the fight, if you watch the fight), Lewis began turning the tables in rounds five and six. He hurt Vitali repeatedly with solid shots, and produced the most infamous cut in recent HW history. Vitali was up on the score cards (slightly), but he wasn't winning the fight at the time of the stoppage (in the sense that Lewis had the momentum). Both were gassed, Lewis in particular. Who knows how that fight would have ended if the fight had continued.

The point I am making is that we should not exalt Vitali for that fight, and we don't have to. Vitali is clearly equipped to defeat comfortably every HW in this generation, and most HWs over the last 20 years. However, it has been my opinion that Vitali is dominant not for his skill per se, but his height, stength, length, and what I believe are (or should be) illegal defensive tactics (clinching and forearm blocking). He also occasionally measures distance with his left (instead of jabbing), or pushes his opponents guard out of the way before throwing his right, which is also illegal.

That said, I would put Vitali in my top twenty-five HWs all time, with respect to matchups. I think he beats almost every HW that has ever fought.

Incidentally, you harp on spelling and grammar far too much for someone who uses cannot type out "kind of" and cannot correctly spell Vitali (or, alternatively, Vitaliy). Your spelling and grammar gripes or obtrusive and unnecessary.

Like you said, Vitaly(uhuh) was a late sub. Like you said, Lennox was more gassed and behind on the scorecards. Unfinished fight, which Vitaliy(happy?) was winning up to the point of stoppage. What if they both had been properly prepared? That remains a mystery. But I'd agree that it would likely always be a very close fight if they were both ok and properly prepared.

I am from Ukraine as well, so no need to tell me how to spell it. His name is Ukrainian, so there is no REAL proper way of spelling it. Vitaliy may be closest, however. Maybe Vitalij...

As for spelling, you may want to first use the correct words, never mind the actual spelling of them - "Your spelling and grammar gripes OR obtrusive and unnecessary." See the problem there?

[EL ANIMAL]

arreola was ten million times better than peter.

Both fighters deserve major props. Arreola kept vitali under real pressure for most of the fight, even though vitali was winning easily on the scorecards he was never able to relax and arreola never stopped throwing punches (unlike peter, who gave up in the second round). It's a long time since anyone's put him under sustained pressure. And vitali gave a very polished performance and showed amazing stamina for a 38 year old.

Arreola justified his ring ranking and then some, imo.

exactly what i said bro!!!!! It was another sam peter beating!!!!! Chris just kept more presure but the same type of fight. They both couldnt get in on vitaly!!!! They both got beaten and got stoped!!! I saw this coming..