Vitali Klitschko Dominates Chris Arreola, TKO in Ten

[AnthrAxNSB]

You spell weird... Anyways, we can disagree, but it is how it is. I say at least Vitaly would hang with the best ever, if not KO them. By that I mean injury-free, young Vitaly. He was beating Lewis, until he was stopped. Yes, Lewis was kinda old, but so is Vitaly now. Look what he did to Arreola. Not to big up Arreola, but he was dominating one of the top contenders. Yes, Tyson could crack, but so can Vitaly. Yes, Tyson was quick, but he was still hittable. He was KO'd in his prime. Would you say the man responsible is better than Vitaly? Vitaly also has a great chin. Anyways, without an actual way to prove it(in the ring), we could argue for a while.

Saying Lewis was "kinda (sic) old, but so is Vitaly (sic) now" is curious. The issue Lewis had in that fight wasn't age, though he was 37, but rather dedication. Lewis hadn't fought in a year after the Tyson victory. He was a big celebrity for it, and was partying it up like a celebrity, not a fighter. Then, he trained for Kirk Johnson, a shorter, serviceable HW, in preparation for a big money fight (Tyson II, Jones Jr., whomever). Johnson got injured, and Vitali was his replacement. Most telling, though, was Lewis weighing in at 256.5 lbs and looking sluggish as **** in the first couple of rounds of that fight. That said, Vitali took advantage and had Lewis hurt early on. But, if you recall (or, if you haven't seen the fight, if you watch the fight), Lewis began turning the tables in rounds five and six. He hurt Vitali repeatedly with solid shots, and produced the most infamous cut in recent HW history. Vitali was up on the score cards (slightly), but he wasn't winning the fight at the time of the stoppage (in the sense that Lewis had the momentum). Both were gassed, Lewis in particular. Who knows how that fight would have ended if the fight had continued.

The point I am making is that we should not exalt Vitali for that fight, and we don't have to. Vitali is clearly equipped to defeat comfortably every HW in this generation, and most HWs over the last 20 years. However, it has been my opinion that Vitali is dominant not for his skill per se, but his height, stength, length, and what I believe are (or should be) illegal defensive tactics (clinching and forearm blocking). He also occasionally measures distance with his left (instead of jabbing), or pushes his opponents guard out of the way before throwing his right, which is also illegal.

That said, I would put Vitali in my top twenty-five HWs all time, with respect to matchups. I think he beats almost every HW that has ever fought.

Incidentally, you harp on spelling and grammar far too much for someone who uses cannot type out "kind of" and cannot correctly spell Vitali (or, alternatively, Vitaliy). Your spelling and grammar gripes or obtrusive and unnecessary.

[IIG]

Vitali is a talent ... This guy is no robot like his brother, either. I love his unorthodox style, and he showed some impressive defense, quickness, and a high boxing IQ tonight. I don't think he quite has the power like he used to have, but his added boxing ability more than makes up for it. I'm a huge fan, and I give Arreola all the credit in the world for losing all 10 rounds, but hanging in there. I really think that Sam Peter would have also continued if it wasn't a wide lead for Klitschko announced in the open scoring.

[NachoMan]

You spell weird... Anyways, we can disagree, but it is how it is. I say at least Vitaly would hang with the best ever, if not KO them. By that I mean injury-free, young Vitaly. He was beating Lewis, until he was stopped. Yes, Lewis was kinda old, but so is Vitaly now. Look what he did to Arreola. Not to big up Arreola, but he was dominating one of the top contenders. Yes, Tyson could crack, but so can Vitaly. Yes, Tyson was quick, but he was still hittable. He was KO'd in his prime. Would you say the man responsible is better than Vitaly? Vitaly also has a great chin. Anyways, without an actual way to prove it(in the ring), we could argue for a while.

The Buster Douglas from February 11, 2001 would have beaten down EVERY active heavyweight today; including both Klitschkos. If you don't believe that, you haven't seen that fight. Buster's career wasn't special, of course, but he was a very skilled fighter (unlike Vitali) who gave an incredible performance on the night he KO'd Tyson. Tyson didn't get KO'd by some lucky punch as some people who have never seen the fight seem to believe. He got taken apart by a skilled heavyweight on a mission. Go back and watch.

[IIG]

coulda,shoulda,woulda... Viatli's best win,if u want to call it that,is a loss to lennox lewis.the only hof fighter he has ever faced and u calling him an atg..there aint no way he's top 10 of all time..besides lennox,he lost to i think chris byrd back in 2000 ,and quit..i dont care if he had a so called injury or not..so u can stick to wahtever u want..he aint beating no cassius clay..c'mon man be serious..

Yeah, but is that his fault? I'm not going to go so far as to call him an all time great (yet), but I think he would be competitive with any human being that ever laced on a pair of gloves. That's saying alot...

[jrosales13]

Dude r u crazy ? Mike Tyson wuddnt even reach this guys face to drop him that's the same reason he got KOed by lennox & klitch was owning lennox b4 the cut. & yea Ali was great but I have to say fraizer beat him in 2 outta 3 fights doesn't meen he was the better boxer though

I was talking about the 80's version of Tyson. Not the version that got KO'd by Lennox. Please read what I write. And, for Lennox. What can I say Lewis won fair and square. He landed a punch and a nasty cut happened. And, again that was an old out of shape Lewis againt a prime Vitaly. And, Vitaly still loss. You can cut it anyway you want it. But, the fact is he lossed. And, I don't think Lennox is an ATG either. I will he is borderline. But, for my vote no. I think The Klitschko's are the most dominate HW's of this era. I think when they retire we will appreciate them more. Just like we do Lennox. But, by no means ATG.

By the way Frazier only won one fight against Ali. And, not only is Ali great but he was the greatest HW of all time. I also rank Frazier above Vitaly. I think Joe KO's him.

[AnthrAxNSB]

He is how he is. It works. Ali danced around a lot as well. As does Mayweather. They're still great though.

He is how he is - a meaningless statement really. And, I cannot believe you just compared Ali and Mayweather to Vitali. Un-****ing-believable.

Mayweather's defensive prowess is second to none. Vitali's defense is leaning back because almost nobody has the reach to touch him, or run if they get too close. Mayweather can avoid punches while in the pocket. Mayweather can slip punches. Vitali does not. Vitali leans back - a no-no in boxing under normal circumstances. The fact is, Vitali is too tall, with too long of a reach for almost any HW to touch him with anything significant. I look to the Lewis fight not to make a case for Vitali's greatness, but to make a case for Vitali's weaknesses. Vitali's resume outside of the Lewis fight is case enough for his dominance of this decade's HWs. The Lewis fight showed that a skilled fighter with similar size could hit Vitali with ease. Yes Vitali was up on the cards (slightly), but we were only half way through the fight, Vitali up four rounds to two, with Lewis winning the last two while hurting Vitali. Again, that didn't cement Vitali as an ATG, but rather as a solid, tall HW that capitalizes on his physical advantages over average size HWs. He may have won that Lewis fight, but Lewis had the momentum, and ultimately, the fight was legitimately stopped. Lewis won. Vitali didn't.

[jrosales13]

Also, regarding Frasier - did you see him having much luck with Foreman? Foreman was a slow, basic fighter. Vitaly is an even better boxer. Get real. Vitaly is an ATG. Maybe not the greatest, but I think up there. I stick to it with no problem.

Bro you knocking Frazier for being KO' by Foreman? Foreman is ATG bro. IMO the 2 best HW era's were #1 the 70's and #2 the 90's. Foreman won the linear championship in both of the 2 best era's. That how good Foreman was. Vitaly is not better than Foreman. I am sorry I still can't say how Vitaly is ATG.

I have question. In this Klitschko era. This decade name me the best HW not named Klitschko? And, I won't count Lewis cuz he did not figh long enough in this decade. So just answer that question the best HW not named Klitschko?

[jrosales13]

Yeah, but is that his fault? I'm not going to go so far as to call him an all time great (yet), but I think he would be competitive with any human being that ever laced on a pair of gloves. That's saying alot...

How do you think Vitaly would do against Rid**** Bowe?

[NachoMan]

Bro you knocking Frazier for being KO' by Foreman? Foreman is ATG bro. IMO the 2 best HW era's were #1 the 70's and #2 the 90's. Foreman won the linear championship in both of the 2 best era's. That how good Foreman was. Vitaly is not better than Foreman. I am sorry I still can't say how Vitaly is ATG.

I have question. In this Klitschko era. This decade name me the best HW not named Klitschko? And, I won't count Lewis cuz he did not figh long enough in this decade. So just answer that question the best HW not named Klitschko?

Haha. I think you just ended this thread. Nice.

[jrosales13]

Honestly I am in shock that ppl are throwing ATG around right now for Vitaly. This win agaisnt Vitaly was great. I am not knocking Vitaly. I don't want to sound like a hater. Cuz Im not. I respect them. I think he is dominate. I don't see him losing in the near future. I think he is really good. But, ATG? Come on. Let's not be fooled so easily. Let's remember the history of boxing. I even like Vitaly and Wlad. But, they are not ATG.