Comments Thread For: Tank Addresses Rehydration Clause: "He's a Bigger Fighter, Why Would I Not Have a Rehydration Clause?"

[PRINCEKOOL]

You genuinely have no idea how day-before weigh-ins have made fighters safer than day-of weigh-ins? Honestly? How much of this thread have you been reading? Have you participated in or followed any other fight sport (high school wrestling, maybe)? As you must understand, all fighters make weight for a very brief time (a matter of hours or less) before the weigh-in. This means they show up to the scale in a dehydrated state. This is an extraordinarily dangerous state to compete in for any sport, much less a fight sport. There is ample medical evidence supporting the Nevada State Athletic Commission's decision (led by Flip Homansky) to change weigh-ins to the day before. Being dehydrated affects an athlete's entire metabolism. Every physiological function is affected; to include the cerebrospinal fluid in a fighter's skull which affects his punch resistance. If you seriously don't understand my reasoning or the reasoning of the boxing commissions across the globe, then I insist that it is you who hasn't read enough. Or maybe you're just dehydrated.

During the era's of the same day weigh in rules, fighters were not weight draining themselves extensively 'There is no documented history within those era's of extreme weight draining'. I have studied and read many historic books, and I have never come across extreme weight draining techniques being used during those era's.

Sugar Ray Leonard, Rocky Graziano, Jake LaMotta. None of these fighters were for example weight draining themselves to the extent a fighter like Canelo Alvarez has within his career 'So are you trying to tell me that Sugar Ray Leonard on fight night was 15-20 pounds heavier than his weigh in weight? No he was not.

And why was he not that many pounds over his weigh in weight? Because back during those era's, under the same day weigh in rule 'There was no such thing as a toxic weight draining culture within the lower weight divisions of boxing'.

Fighters are not obligated to weight drain themselves, it is their choice. If the same day weigh in rule was reinstated 'Fighters would then learn the hard way, if they attempted to continue apply those toxic training tactics'. They would then have to fight more closer to their natural weight.

I am well aware of the physiological negative effects of weight draining. You don't seem to get it do you mate? You have accepted that the toxic weight draining training culture as a part of boxing, and YOU THINK the rules should be changed to promote the fighters to weight drain more.

That is effectively what the day before weigh in rule does. It endorses and promotes the use of weight draining tactics being used more dangerously 'You know this so I have no idea why you are trying to disagree with me'.

Note: You don't seem to get it, and you have also accepted that weight draining is standard culture in boxing. When historically weight draining to the extent you see it today, is a completely new modern phenomenon that is promoted and endorsed by the use of 'The day before weigh in rule'. All the day before weigh in rule does, is create a big giant opportunity for certain fighters to weight drain themselves tactically 'You know this, because we read about it in today's game all of the time'.

The only way to combat this for me, is to in part reinstate 'The same day weigh in rule' or at-least alter the current rules. Because it will be extremely difficult for those same fighters to apply weight draining tactics within their training camps 'They may no like this, but overall and for the long term it will create a safer training environment and culture'.

Boxers for me will be better conditions fighters and their well being put under unnecessary demands.

But if some fighters want to continue to use weight draining tactics, under the same day weigh in rule 'They will learn the hard way'. There will be consequences in their performance and well being, and they will learn real quick 'That the toxic weight draining culture is not sustainable under these old school rules'.

Ideally fighters will be well instructed as to why the rules are being altered, and it will be mandated that all boxing coaches at all levels 'Must educate their fighters at the dangers of weight draining themselves'.

If you want to accept this toxic weight draining culture, if you want to carry on promoting it 'Which you are doing here, then carry on'. Then I cannot debate with you, or agree with you on ANYTHING 'Regarding allowing these fighters to continue to keep using these tactics'.

It is a modern toxic phenomenon which has negatively effected the competition in the lower weight divisions.

[TheOneAboveAll]

During the era's of the same day weigh in rules, fighters were not weight draining themselves extensively 'There is no documented history within those era's of extreme weight draining'. I have studied and read many historic books, and I have never come across extreme weight draining techniques being used during those era's.

Sugar Ray Leonard, Rocky Graziano, Jake LaMotta. None of these fighters were for example weight draining themselves to the extent a fighter like Canelo Alvarez has within his career 'So are you trying to tell me that Sugar Ray Leonard on fight night was 15-20 pounds heavier than his weigh in weight? No he was not.

And why was he not that many pounds over his weigh in weight? Because back during those era's, under the same day weigh in rule 'There was no such thing as a toxic weight draining culture within the lower weight divisions of boxing'.

Fighters are not obligated to weight drain themselves, it is their choice. If the same day weigh in rule was reinstated 'Fighters would then learn the hard way, if they attempted to continue apply those toxic training tactics'. They would then have to fight more closer to their natural weight.

I am well aware of the physiological negative effects of weight draining. You don't seem to get it do you mate? You have accepted that the toxic weight draining training culture as a part of boxing, and YOU THINK the rules should be changed to promote the fighters to weight drain more.

That is effectively what the day before weigh in rule does. It endorses and promotes the use of weight draining tactics being used more dangerously 'You know this so I have no idea why you are trying to disagree with me'.

Note: You don't seem to get it, and you have also accepted that weight draining is standard culture in boxing. When historically weight draining to the extent you see it today, is a completely new modern phenomenon that is promoted and endorsed by the use of 'The day before weigh in rule'. All the day before weigh in rule does, is create a big giant opportunity for certain fighters to weight drain themselves tactically 'You know this, because we read about it in today's game all of the time'.

The only way to combat this for me, is to in part reinstate 'The same day weigh in rule' or at-least alter the current rules. Because it will be extremely difficult for those same fighters to apply weight draining tactics within their training camps 'They may no like this, but overall and for the long term it will create a safer training environment and culture'.

Boxers for me will be better conditions fighters and their well being put under unnecessary demands.

But if some fighters want to continue to use weight draining tactics, under the same day weigh in rule 'They will learn the hard way'. There will be consequences in their performance and well being, and they will learn real quick 'That the toxic weight draining culture is not sustainable under these old school rules'.

Ideally fighters will be well instructed as to why the rules are being altered, and it will be mandated that all boxing coaches at all levels 'Must educate their fighters at the dangers of weight draining themselves'.

If you want to accept this toxic weight draining culture, if you want to carry on promoting it 'Which you are doing here, then carry on'. Then I cannot debate with you, or agree with you on ANYTHING 'Regarding allowing these fighters to continue to keep using these tactics'.

It is a modern toxic phenomenon which has negatively effected the competition in the lower weight divisions.

You go round and round, writing the same silly words, and attesting to your own scholarly research on “toxic weight draining culture.” None of the drivel you spew is based in any fact. They are merely your vague, unsupported opinions. “Fighters back in the day didn’t dehydrate themselves to make weight,” you say. What utter nonsense. You really do seem to believe it though, and you sincerely seem to believe that your argument to return to fight day weigh-ins or impose rehydration limits with multiple weigh-ins makes sense, but it doesn’t. You seem not to have any direct experience with any fight sport because every fighter boils down to the lightest weight class possible to be their most competitive. This is as true today as it’s ever been.

[TheFrog]

Oh well then just eliminate weight classes then, yeah? Let everyone come in at their best, no one has to make weight anymore.

That’s what the weigh ins are for lol. Are you new to the sport? Rehydration clause is just preventing someone who has made weight from recovering properly. If you’re so worried about someone gaining weight after the weigh ins then maybe you’re in the wrong division.

Tank told Shakur to stay away from the “big boys” at 135. Can’t claim to be fighting “big boys “ if you’re afraid of them getting too big lol.

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Tank SHOULD be fighting Haney or at the very least OLD MAN LOMA and Ryan SHOULD be fighting for a 140 Title. Both men are wasting our time.
Only reason this fight is happening is cause Ryan is DUMB to fight with these restrictions and tanks people have ZERO faith in him fighting Haney.

[11Combos]

Mario Barrios is bigger than Ryan but you fought him anyway & ko'd him... why the ***** move now?? he want Ryan with a handicap... Tank a *****

[tokon]

True I don't like it at all should be banned as you say, but again it depends on the time of day how much of an effect it has, in the morning it pretty much has little to no effect but if its late in the day its a big handicap that does cause safety issues.

Why have them at all? If there's no safety issue just have a same day weigh-in. If a same day weigh in wouldn't be allowed due to safety concerns then neither should rehydration clauses. If a fighter makes the weight at the agreed weigh-in time, then he's made the weight, there shouldn't be two weigh-ins!

[garfios]

Why have them at all? If there's no safety issue just have a same day weigh-in. If a same day weigh in wouldn't be allowed due to safety concerns then neither should rehydration clauses. If a fighter makes the weight at the agreed weigh-in time, then he's made the weight, there shouldn't be two weigh-ins!

This right here, 100% with you and can't say it any better. The whole rehydration issue came afte Gatti, or it was delahoya? Don't remember now, fought Gamache, he looked a midget and was manhandled with easy.

[hugh grant]

Weve seen it all before just trying to keep the zero, rather than greatness.

[djtmal]

Much respect to both guys putting it on the line while they are in thier primes. These guys need to be fighting each other we don't need no more overmarination of fights like Floyd did