Let's discuss Canelo vs Bivol 2

[El_Mero]

Bivol gonna spank the freckles off CONelo. Cant wait to hear AND new undisputed 168lb champion of the world!

[QueensburyRules]

I suspect Bivol to fight the same way he did in the first fight. I know some don't believe this but to me, Bivol is straight up and down, no special effects kind of boxer. There's no ability to fight a different way in him, in my opinion.

Canelo can at least go out there to point fight.

He's still a plodder. But he does have the ability to stick and avoid. I can imagine Canelo doing what he did with GGG in the 2nd fight. Although Bivol is a lot bigger and likely has longer arms (I didn't check the reach, I'm assuming here)

- - Golovkin is hyper aggressive feeding into Canelo natural counterpunching style. Bivol passive aggressive not walking into counterpunches not to mention bigger/stronger.

Time to study up on styles and physical attributes.

[PRINCEKOOL]

Bivol lacks the opponents to show us how good he could really be

likely that Alvarez will be the only great he fought

I agree.

The 175 pounds division, does not really have a highly competitive landscape in this era 'But tt has not been highly competitive for sometime'.

I think there are only two elite fighters in the division 'Bivol & Beterbiev, these are the only two fighters who are equivocally elite on merit'.

Plenty of world class fighters, but not many elite fighters.

Alvarez in all honesty, the only reason he has been able to move up through the weight classes 'Is due to this era's Middle Weight to Light Heavyweights divisions being under par'

Alvarez is a elite fighter, but when you check his resume 'I can name many fighters who would beat his best wins more impressively'.

Bivol just seems like a solid athlete all around, and a fighter with good fundamentals 'I have not seen any super elite abilities from him'.

Bivol skill for skill is not a miles better fighter than Alvarez. Alvarez has faced better competition skill for skill throughout his career.

Cotto, Mosley, Lara, Golovkin all of these fighters a better fighters skill for skill than most of the fighters on Bivol's resume.

The reason why Alvarez is finding it a extreme challenge to beat Bivol is not due to lack of skill.

[YOU WILL LOSE]

its really bivol vs the real canelo 1
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bivol cant beat that guy.

[GrandpaBernard]

I agree.

The 175 pounds division, does not really have a highly competitive landscape in this era 'But tt has not been highly competitive for sometime'.

I think there are only two elite fighters in the division 'Bivol & Beterbiev, these are the only two fighters who are equivocally elite on merit'.

Plenty of world class fighters, but not many elite fighters.

Alvarez in all honesty, the only reason he has been able to move up through the weight classes 'Is due to this era's Middle Weight to Light Heavyweights divisions being under par'

Alvarez is a elite fighter, but when you check his resume 'I can name many fighters who would beat his best wins more impressively'.

Bivol just seems like a solid athlete all around, and a fighter with good fundamentals 'I have not seen any super elite abilities from him'.

Bivol skill for skill is not a miles better fighter than Alvarez. Alvarez has faced better competition skill for skill throughout his career.

Cotto, Mosley, Lara, Golovkin all of these fighters a better fighters skill for skill than most of the fighters on Bivol's resume.

The reason why Alvarez is finding it a extreme challenge to beat Bivol is not due to lack of skill.

If Alvarez was the kind of guy to dominate in most of his big fights, it’d bolster his ranking tremendously

These guys only happen to boxing at least every other generation

[F l i c k e r]

No. He should fight like he did against Jacobs. He lacked jabs and sat on his punches in GGG 2.

I didn't see it that way. In the 1st fight, Canelo tried to beat GGG at his own game and got a draw for it. 2nd fight, he fought his way (still a plodder but lots of upper body movement) and got the W. Or maybe I have it backwards.

But yes, the Jacobs fight would suffice as well.

[F l i c k e r]

- - Golovkin is hyper aggressive feeding into Canelo natural counterpunching style. Bivol passive aggressive not walking into counterpunches not to mention bigger/stronger.

Time to study up on styles and physical attributes.

Why does everything have to come down to pettiness?

You could easily carry a conversation without having to get into the NSB typical, you don't know boxing blah blah blah, I know everything rah rah rah. its boring.

[deathofaclown]

Bivol will smoke him

There is hardly anything that Canelo can do in the ring better than Bivol. Rematches generally favour the superior boxer, especially when they already won the first one.

I didn’t think Canelo would win first time and I give him next to no chance next time if they fight under the same circumstances as the first fight, in terms of weight.

Bivol is just better than him, and a stylistic problem for Canelo

it is what it is. Anybody that understands boxing could’ve told you before the first fight that it’s a very difficult fight for Canelo and it will be even more difficult next time.

[Silence]

I didn't see it that way. In the 1st fight, Canelo tried to beat GGG at his own game and got a draw for it. 2nd fight, he fought his way (still a plodder but lots of upper body movement) and got the W. Or maybe I have it backwards.

But yes, the Jacobs fight would suffice as well.

Canelo didn't let his hands in the first fight because he overestimated GGG's power. Otherwise he would 12-0'd him. He was schooling him in middle of the ring by combos and was making him miss badly on the ropes.

In the second fight he let his hands. Canelo's output peak was that fight. He mixed his combination style and hard power punches. But, he lacked jabs and lost the tempo between 8-12.

Jacobs fight was perfect mix. He let his hands, used his jabs, he was aggressor but also mover. He kept Jacobs on 20% accuracy and landed 40%.

He should apply his Jacobs' fight strategy into his 168 or 175 lbs body. I am sure he beats Bivol at 168. Not sure at 175.

[Silence]

Actually PRINCEKOOL's analysis ain't bad for 175. I also think Canelo bullies and mauls him inside. But, idk how will he fix his cardio problems. He is just too overweight.

He can perform better if he will become lighter. He was just 178 lbs in Kovalev and didn't gas. He should be upper SMW limit or lower LHW limit in fight night at 175. And, he needs some solid condition trainer.

That improvements can make him next WBA champion.