Comments Thread For: Jose Benavidez Sr. Believes That Caleb Plant Won't Be The Same After March 25th

[Boxingfanatic75]

A few points:
1) fights are not won or lost based on who has the most polite manners or the best grammar
2) Plant's behavior after the Dirrell KO was more low class than anything Benavidez Sr or Jr has ever said or done
3) David already had some of the best condition in boxing, and now he's doing this camp with Memo, so try to imagine for a minute what that's gonna look like in the ring...
4) Plant is slick, but he's not Pernell Whitaker/James Toney slick. He gets hit hard and clean. We've seen him cut, busted up, hurt, dropped and stopped b4

2) False: he contained his emotions the entire promotion while Dirrell went the race and personal route. What he did was to quiet all his haters who said he couldn’t punch and embarrass the one man who was de****able the entire promotional tour. Also, Jr popping for the powder is far more low class than what Plant did in the ring.

3) David is David he is a plod forward boxer with huge power and s h itty footwork. His punches are lunging punches ripe for an elite counter puncher. This won’t change fight night

4) He was stopped by one of the best and most elite boxers on the planet. Boxers get hit, boxers take their bruises and there’s no shame in getting beaten by the best in boxing. Timing beats power every day and twice on Sunday. His perfectly timed set up of Dirrell was far more explosive and violent of a KO than Bene was able to do. Why? Because an elite boxer lets an overconfident opponent come to them and let them walk straight into a set up.

[Oracle01]

I see Benavidez starting fast and hard, Plant absorbing his heaviest stuff, taming him little by little to bring him into deep waters, perhaps stopping him late.

Not sure that it will happen, but since the fight was announced I envisioned this outcome. I just see Plant as the more intelligent fighter between the two.

Plant absorbing Davids offense, taking him into deep waters and maybe stopping him? lmao. You should never try to give boxing analysis again in your life. Totally detached from reality.

Plant has show the direct opposite his whole career. He is brittle, cannot absorb punishment and struggles late in fights. His only hope is to stay off the ropes and circle the whole fight, but he does not have that kind of gas tank.

[Tatabanya]

Plant absorbing Davids offense, taking him into deep waters and maybe stopping him? lmao. You should never try to give boxing analysis again in your life. Totally detached from reality.

Plant has show the direct opposite his whole career. He is brittle, cannot absorb punishment and struggles late in fights. His only hope is to stay off the ropes and circle the whole fight, but he does not have that kind of gas tank.

If you read carefully, I added that "I'm not sure" about that outcome. It's just a possible scenario I envisioned. I also thought about Benavidez stopping Plant inside the first half - just read my replies to other posters in this same thread.

Too many times I have been proven wrong in almost 50 years of watching boxing, that's why I never assume anything with certainty. There's no one more rooted in reality than I am. After the fight I'll be glad to discuss the result with you again.

[Oracle01]

If you read carefully, I added that "I'm not sure" about that outcome. It's just a possible scenario I envisioned. I also thought about Benavidez stopping Plant inside the first half - just read my replies to other posters in this same thread.

Too many times I have been proven wrong in almost 50 years of watching boxing, that's why I never assume anything with certainty. There's no one more rooted in reality than I am. After the fight I'll be glad to discuss the result with you again.

The fact you have envisaged such a ridiculous outcome just proves my point. You never said anything in your post about Benavidez stopping Plant.

[Tatabanya]

The fact you have envisaged such a ridiculous outcome just proves my point. You never said anything in your post about Benavidez stopping Plant.

I didn't say it in the initial post because it's the most expected outcome, and I was considering a different kind of scenario. Boxing has a way to contradict the obvious more often than not: see Holyfield vs Tyson I, to which I was referring in the first place. At that time everybody, including myself, considered the idea of Holyfield knocking out Tyson as "ridiculous", as you're doing right now with the hypothesis of Plant beating Benavidez.

Anyhow I took your point. You're firmly convinced that Benavidez will destroy Plant, I have no problem with that.

[SUBZER0ED]

Holyfield had looked like a corpse in his previous fight vs Bobby Czyz, whereas Tyson was still knocking opponents out (OK, Seldon threw the fight, but still...). Many people were fearing for Holyfield's health at that time.

However, I was not comparing them literally, just how I see the fight unfolding. The feared puncher starting as advertised, then gradually losing steam and getting demoralized. You know what I mean.

Still, the outcome you predict is equally plausible. That's why the fight is so intriguing.

I guess you're right, Tyson didn't really show signs of tremendous decline until after the loss to Lewis in 2002 & the win vs the "Black Rhino" in 2003. But I just can't see Plant coming on late and dominating Benavidez.

[Tatabanya]

I guess you're right, Tyson didn't really show signs of tremendous decline until after the loss to Lewis in 2002 & the win vs the "Black Rhino" in 2003. But I just can't see Plant coming on late and dominating Benavidez.

Not really "dominating" him; more like accurately picking his shots and getting him annoyed, frustrated, making errors. Also, I feel that many people are underestimating Plant's quickness. Speed can work wonders against a puncher like Benavidez.

[SUBZER0ED]

Not really "dominating" him; more like accurately picking his shots and getting him annoyed, frustrated, making errors. Also, I feel that many people are underestimating Plant's quickness. Speed can work wonders against a puncher like Benavidez.

I can't wait for this fight! 22 days!

[shakedaddy]

2) False: he contained his emotions the entire promotion while Dirrell went the race and personal route. What he did was to quiet all his haters who said he couldn’t punch and embarrass the one man who was de****able the entire promotional tour. Also, Jr popping for the powder is far more low class than what Plant did in the ring.

3) David is David he is a plod forward boxer with huge power and s h itty footwork. His punches are lunging punches ripe for an elite counter puncher. This won’t change fight night

4) He was stopped by one of the best and most elite boxers on the planet. Boxers get hit, boxers take their bruises and there’s no shame in getting beaten by the best in boxing. Timing beats power every day and twice on Sunday. His perfectly timed set up of Dirrell was far more explosive and violent of a KO than Bene was able to do. Why? Because an elite boxer lets an overconfident opponent come to them and let them walk straight into a set up.

I would say that the first sign of real decline with Tyson was after his layoff post Bite Fight. He didn't look good vs. The White Buffalo, but at that time I think the decline was more mental/emotional than physically. I think he still had the physical tools to beat Lewis, as evidenced by all his fights leading up to that, but all the tumult and problems he had in the 2 years in between the Savaresre KO and fighting Lewis took its toll..He showed up vs. Lewis looking physically terrible compared to Savaresre, Botha, or Francis, and mentally he seemed absolutely in outer space.

[shakedaddy]

I generally dislike the low class things done by boxers, which is why I screamed with joy watching Chino beat up Broner bad, or when Barrerra busted up Naz. But I really didn't have a problem with Plant's post-KO move vs. Dirrell, I thought everyone made it so much worse than it was. Context is everything, and I don't think you can say as much revolting nonsense as Dirrell did, and everybody just brush it off to "prefight trash talk" and then get their panties in a bunch when there is retribution by Plant with the grave dig. I don't even like Plant much, and I always liked Benavidez based on the gym interviews, but I'm now rooting for Plant after that last press conference, and I've zero issue with the grave dig.