Is Cotto a better fighter than JMM pound for pound?

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  • The Surgeon
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    #41
    Originally posted by street bully
    I don't think so, and many agree, sure he won, but to say he deserved to win is a stretch, when so many experts had him losing.
    Yet u feel the need to declare JMM the winner in his fights with Pac when many experts and fans ALONG with the JUDGES gave it to Pac

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    • street bully
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      #42
      Originally posted by The Surgeon
      Cotto has good stamina, not a good as JMM's tho granted. Toughness and ability to fight through adversity - check! Laser like precision and ability to throw every punch in the book and Great Timeing - Check!

      Now does JMM cut the ring off as well as Cotto? Fight southpaw as well as Cotto? Force the fight as well as Cotto? Have the physical strength of Cotto or the brutal body shots of him?
      Cotto doesn;t have the variety at all. he has a good left hook, where is the straight right, the left uppercut, and the right uppercut. I don't think I have seen Cotto throw a right uppercut. To say Cotto is as accurate as JMM is laughable. P4P Marquez is probably a bigger 1 punch guy, seeing as he KOs apponents not TKOs, and wtf does being southpaw have to do with anything? That doesn't make sense. Last I checked, Cotto was getting the ring cut off on him by Clottey and Margarito.

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      • fightingfigs
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        #43
        Originally posted by The Surgeon
        I think its a p4p debate. Cotto CLEARLY the better at WW
        which is why I think P4P is harped on too much for such fictional standards. In reality weight and size is a deciding factor just like what happened with Mayweather vs Marquez

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          #44
          Originally posted by The Surgeon
          Yet u feel the need to declare JMM the winner in his fights with Pac when many experts and fans ALONG with the JUDGES gave it to Pac
          I think he won. I am stating my opinion, and I hold Pacuiao very highly. If I thought Cotto won, I would have said it. I like Mosley more than Cotto, and I said Cotto beat him fairly.

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            #45
            Originally posted by Mr._Pink
            a featherweight juan manuel marquez with miguel cotto's skills would be named rocky juarez.

            true story.
            I wouldn't got that far pink, Cotto's an excellent fighter, but JMM is far more talented.

            Juarez has a left hook and thats it. He's got cement in his feet and is a plodder.

            Cotto is much more dynamic offensively and defensively than Juarez.

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            • F-22 Raptor
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              #46
              Well, let's put it this way, even simpler. Marquez fought Floyd at welterweight limit. What would happen if he fights Cotto?

              Simple answer.

              Cotto murders him within 5 rounds.

              As simple as 2+2.

              Moral of the story, P4P is never going to be the same list for everyone, because all of us have different styles we prefer to judge boxers on the mythical list. But if we simply stop being fanatical about our favorite boxers and be real, we would have a more solid list of who's better than who. There's just no way anybody could fathom Marquez beating Miguel at welterweight limit, because if you thought he was outclassed last saturday, Miguel will beat him down in the most embarrasing fashion. As for me, obviously im known miguel cotto fan. but im realistic, and i know that cotto is one of the top welters right now, but I know for a fact Floyd would still school him in a fight.

              Be real guys!

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              • F-22 Raptor
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                #47
                Originally posted by street bully
                I don't think so, and many agree, sure he won, but to say he deserved to win is a stretch, when so many experts had him losing. Cotto is not a great fighter (great fighters don't lose to Margarito), he isn't even HOF worthy yet. Just vote in the poll.
                street let's put 500k more on the pac-cotto fight!!!

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                • The Surgeon
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                  #48
                  Originally posted by street bully
                  Cotto doesn;t have the variety at all. he has a good left hook, where is the straight right, the left uppercut, and the right uppercut. I don't think I have seen Cotto throw a right uppercut. To say Cotto is as accurate as JMM is laughable. P4P Marquez is probably a bigger 1 punch guy, seeing as he KOs apponents not TKOs, and wtf does being southpaw have to do with anything? That doesn't make sense. Last I checked, Cotto was getting the ring cut off on him by Clottey and Margarito.
                  How can u say Cotto dont have variety, the right uppercut is a punch he dont use often but believe me he has done (its usually in combinations with the left also) He jabs with authority, has Wicked hooks Up and down, employs a jolting right hand, works well in combo's, has a tasty LEFT uppercut, fights well on the front foot and off the back foot, the guy can actually beat u up off the backfoot. The reason i mention he fights well southpaw is the aside from alot of fighters having problems with southpaws it gives him another weapon, his big left cross

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                  • street bully
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                    #49
                    Originally posted by F-22 Raptor
                    Well, let's put it this way, even simpler. Marquez fought Floyd at welterweight limit. What would happen if he fights Cotto?

                    Simple answer.

                    Cotto murders him within 5 rounds.

                    As simple as 2+2.

                    Moral of the story, P4P is never going to be the same list for everyone, because all of us have different styles we prefer to judge boxers on the mythical list. But if we simply stop being fanatical about our favorite boxers and be real, we would have a more solid list of who's better than who. There's just no way anybody could fathom Marquez beating Miguel at welterweight limit, because if you thought he was outclassed last saturday, Miguel will beat him down in the most embarrasing fashion. As for me, obviously im known miguel cotto fan. but im realistic, and i know that cotto is one of the top welters right now, but I know for a fact Floyd would still school him in a fight.

                    Be real guys!
                    Its a P4P debate, and WW Cotto would probably beat JMM, as I am sure Ali would destroy SRR at HW. If Cotto fought Pavlik at 160 he would get crushed. Cotto is the better fighter though. However P4P Marquez is a better fighter. Juan Diaz is a better fighter than margarito P4P and Marquez took his come forward style adjusted amd stopped him. Cotto took Margaritos style looked ok for 6 rounds, got beat down and quit.

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                      #50
                      Originally posted by larry x
                      no..jmm is a 5 time champ in 3 differant divisions...cotto is a 3 time vacant titlist
                      Thats just a apsect of it!!

                      Cotto has by far the better resuem, the better wins and is more skilled!!!!!!

                      People have blown out of proportion JMM's biggest wins wich are a loss and a draw to manny Pacquiao.

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