Is Wilder ducking Andy Ruiz?

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  • Sctrojan
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    #21
    Originally posted by sicko
    NO! Wants to be paid well for it big guarantee and no "Based On PPV Sales" type of agreement

    ALSO doesn't want to go back to Showtime...so when he says he is FREE...he is talking Network/Platform Free Agent he is still PBC and still with Haymon and he cleared that up recently



    also want to go fight international like Steph Fulton, like Tony Harrison are doing
    Pricing yourself out of a fight is essentially DUCKING a fight dude.

    No other promoter is going to pick up the tab for a fight where BOTH fighters are aligned with a rival promoter....therefore Wilder vs Ruiz isnt happening which = A DUCK,period.

    And that "reassurance" he gave about him still being aligned with PBC/Haymon wasn't all that convincin ,especially with that " as far as I know" statement. PBC/Haymon,like Showtime not too long ago,is essentially telling him "you're not worth it"......not surprising considering his ppv with Helenius bombed.

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    • JakeTheBoxer
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      #22
      Saying Ruiz can`t beat Wilder because he "struggled" with Arreola and Ortiz is very casual opinion. So Wilder also thought Fury was an easy pick because he looked like a sh.it in comeback fights. So Canelo thought Bivol was easy because he looked "nothing special".

      Ruiz is a very tough fight for Wilder. And Wilder knows that. And if he wins, that will be his best win so far.

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      • Bullrider
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        #23
        Having been rejected by Showtime probably hurt his feelings and he doesn't want to go back. It was the time when he waxed poetic about loyalty, and Showtime was included in that loyalty poetry. Then he was forced to move to Fox, but Fox is no longer in the picture. The situation has become complicated for him.

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          #24
          Originally posted by 4truth

          I thought Andy won, as did most people, including the judges.

          Andy has one of the best chins in boxing. If Wilder can't stop Andy, Andy wins on points by a lot.
          He got dropped by freaking Chris Arreola. He hasn't looked good in a fight since the Joshua win. He's not the same guy anymore.

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            #25
            Originally posted by famicommander

            He got dropped by freaking Chris Arreola. He hasn't looked good in a fight since the Joshua win. He's not the same guy anymore.
            Tell me who is better opponent for Wilder. And please, don`t say Fury, I don`t want to see Wilder beaten again.

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              #26
              I don't think Wilder is scared per se. It's just that if he does lose to Ruiz, then where does he go? he's probably hoping to land an AJ fight soon or at least a world title shot without putting the work in.
              Also Ruiz being mexican means that fight would do big numbers on ppv. So if they're offering Wilder $5m he probably thinks it isnt enough.

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                #27
                Originally posted by JakeTheBoxer

                Tell me who is better opponent for Wilder. And please, don`t say Fury, I don`t want to see Wilder beaten again.
                Luis Ortiz twice. He deserved the win against Ruiz, who looked absolutely horrible in that fight. And that was a version of Ortiz that was three years older and more washed than the guy Wilder knocked out for the second time. Ruiz couldn't even convincingly beat a 43 year old shot fighter on rubber legs. Ortiz won 8 clean rounds and the 2nd knockdown wasn't a real knockdown.

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                  #28
                  Originally posted by famicommander

                  Luis Ortiz twice. He deserved the win against Ruiz, who looked absolutely horrible in that fight. And that was a version of Ortiz that was three years older and more washed than the guy Wilder knocked out for the second time. Ruiz couldn't even convincingly beat a 43 year old shot fighter on rubber legs. Ortiz won 8 clean rounds and the 2nd knockdown wasn't a real knockdown.
                  I am asking you who should Wilder fight next if not Ruiz.

                  Fury and Ngannou are laughable options..

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                    #29
                    Originally posted by JakeTheBoxer

                    I am asking you who should Wilder fight next if not Ruiz.

                    Fury and Ngannou are laughable options..
                    I never said Wilder shouldn't fight Ruiz. The heavyweight division is garbage; four or five names deep at best. If he can't get Usyk, Fury, or Joshua it doesn't really matter who he fights because everybody else sucks including Ruiz, the ghost of Ortiz, Joyce, DuBois, Hrgovic, Anderson, Whyte, etc.

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                      #30
                      Originally posted by famicommander

                      I never said Wilder shouldn't fight Ruiz. The heavyweight division is garbage; four or five names deep at best. If he can't get Usyk, Fury, or Joshua it doesn't really matter who he fights because everybody else sucks including Ruiz, the ghost of Ortiz, Joyce, DuBois, Hrgovic, Anderson, Whyte, etc.
                      Well, ok, lets say I agree with that.

                      Outside top 3-4 guys all others are around the same level.

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