Bivol All Wrong For Alvarez Stylistically

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  • Silence
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    #21
    Originally posted by PRINCEKOOL
    Alvarez has a by far superior inside game, and defense on the attack..

    Bivol is not really skill or skill levels above Alvarez. He just has greater endurance, foot speed, athleticism 'And a better long range game'.

    Alvarez skill or skill has a better mid-inside game 'With a more sophisticated defense'.

    What makes the match up difficult for Alvarez is his lack of elite level endurance, lack of gears and under-par movement 'Because of this he was not able to apply his best attributes vs Bivol'.

    If Alvarez can somehow improve his endurance by 20%, and gets better at cutting off the ring and applying educated pressure 'I would give Alvarez a very serious chance of beating Bivol in the rematch at 175 pounds'.

    That is why the fight at 168 pounds, he going to bring the fight back towards Alvarez. What makes Bivol good at 175 pounds, all those attributes are going to be effected at 168 pounds 'The man is already in peak condition at 175 pounds, his main attributes will be negatively effected'.


    This guy does some good analysis sometimes.

    I always say that if Canelo had better stamina and output, he would have been the best H2H fighter ever. He is in the debate even with his limited lungs.

    At 168, Canelo should return to his combination style and improve his output. He should use more jabs. He can use his head movement a bit more.

    That's all to beat Bivol. A ***in pretty basic changes which Reynoso still can't get with his limited brain and huge belly.
    Last edited by Silence; 02-15-2023, 11:39 AM.

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    • PRINCEKOOL
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      #22
      Just like Joshua, Alvarez's endurance is not terrible but it is not elite. Think back to all the great Middle Weight fighters?

      Carl Froch, Joe Calzaghe, Bernard Hopkins, Marvin Hagler, Nigel Benn, Chris Eubank Senior. Go and check their fights, all of them have world level to elite endurance.

      Alvarez's endurance is good it is satisfactory, but at elite level? Just being satisfactory in one area, can get you beat.

      Endurance, lack of gears, under-par movement 'These are the area's were Alvarez is only satisfactory'.

      Alvarez is not a monster puncher, if he was maybe that would negate those area's he is not a elite fighter in.

      I honestly still think Alvarez can beat Bivol at 175 pounds. He will know what game plan and the area's he needs to improve.

      Stylistically Bivol is a more winnable fight for Alvarez than Beterbiev.

      If Beterbiev maintains form, it is a very dangerous fight for Alvarez etc.

      Note: Alvarez vs Bivol at 168 pounds, is a devalued fight. Alvarez really should not get the same credit, as fighting Bivol at 175 pounds.




      Last edited by PRINCEKOOL; 02-15-2023, 12:10 PM.

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        #23
        Originally posted by PRINCEKOOL

        I honestly still think Alvarez can beat Bivol at 175 pounds. He will know what game plan and the area's he needs to improve.



        Unlikely. Canelo will not improve his stamina and work rate, which he should if he wants to win.

        Canelo is what he is, a flat footed power puncher who likes to throw single power punches.

        Now Bivol knows exactly what to expect. I think he stops Canelo this time.
        Last edited by JakeTheBoxer; 02-15-2023, 12:53 PM.

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          #24
          Originally posted by Silence

          This guy does some good analysis sometimes.

          I always say that if Canelo had better stamina and output, he would have been the best H2H fighter ever. He is in the debate even with his limited lungs.

          At 168, Canelo should return to his combination style and improve his output. He should use more jabs. He can use his head movement a bit more.

          That's all to beat Bivol. A ***in pretty basic changes which Reynoso still can't get with his limited brain and huge belly.
          I know you personally are responsible for the cleanliness of Canelo’s scrotum but you’re so off base it’s ridiculous. Must be the Canelo man love.

          This is pretty basic. Bivol EASILY beat Canelo with tight defense, great reflexes, superior length and an unbelievable control of distance. Even the most basic of boxing trainers will tell you the way to offset these attributes is with reach and/or fast feet. Canelo has neither. Unless being drained to 168 severely affects Bivol, Canelo flat out can’t beat him. Bad style matchup for Canelo.

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            #25
            Originally posted by Silence

            This guy does some good analysis sometimes.

            I always say that if Canelo had better stamina and output, he would have been the best H2H fighter ever. He is in the debate even with his limited lungs.

            At 168, Canelo should return to his combination style and improve his output. He should use more jabs. He can use his head movement a bit more.

            That's all to beat Bivol. A ***in pretty basic changes which Reynoso still can't get with his limited brain and huge belly.
            Given Alvarez shortage of dominant performances in his big fights

            Even with good stamina I wouldn’t bet on him being a h2h monster

            Alvarez most impressive ability was how quickly he learned from fight to fight earlier on in his career

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              #26
              Originally posted by GrandpaBernard

              Given Alvarez shortage of dominant performances in his big fights

              Even with good stamina I wouldn’t bet on him being a h2h monster

              Alvarez most impressive ability was how quickly he learned from fight to fight earlier on in his career
              He is already H2H monster. His competitive fights and losses were against another H2H monsters like Bivol, Golovkin, Lara, Mayweather etc..

              Bivol and Golovkin's high output and stamina kept them alive against Canelo.

              Canelo has too much ability and is real chameleon but his lungs prevent to show his entire arsenal.

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                #27
                Originally posted by Silence

                He is already H2H monster. His competitive fights and losses were against another H2H monsters like Bivol, Golovkin, Lara, Mayweather etc..

                Bivol and Golovkin's high output and stamina kept them alive against Canelo.

                Canelo has too much ability and is real chameleon but his lungs prevent to show his entire arsenal.
                I wouldn’t call Lara a h2h monster

                he wouldn’t do enough to win fights he should have won

                H2h monster are near undefeatable fighters

                Floyd is one of them

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                  #28
                  Originally posted by GrandpaBernard

                  I wouldn’t call Lara a h2h monster

                  he wouldn’t do enough to win fights he should have won

                  H2h monster are near undefeatable fighters

                  Floyd is one of them
                  Lara was near-impossible to outbox. So, he is H2H monster.

                  I don't like him but Floyd is arguably the best H2H ever imo.

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                    #29
                    Bivol has Canelo's number


                    superior stamina
                    excellent range control
                    fast hands
                    great defense inside and outside
                    faster feet


                    He basically has size, skill, athleticisim and age combination that nobody else that canelo has faced above 160 has. Everyone else was either older than canelo, slower or less skilled. Canelo's 168 run, he could still catch those guys, close the distance and break them down. He barely could touch Bivol. Bivol would either back out of range or block his body shots when canelo tried to walk him down, it doesnt work. There was a moment late in the fight with Canelo up on the ropes exhausted where I thought he was about to be stopped.

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                      #30
                      Originally posted by GrandpaBernard

                      I wouldn’t call Lara a h2h monster

                      he wouldn’t do enough to win fights he should have won

                      H2h monster are near undefeatable fighters

                      Floyd is one of them


                      Lara wouldnt work enough, have his moments but then ***** that he was robbed. Floyd could be low output but when he was he was still maintaining the highest punch landed to being landed on ratio in the whole sport so you can get away with lower output if you have that drastic a ratio where the rounds are clearly yours.

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