Comments Thread For: Hearn: 168 Not Canelo's Requirement For Bivol Rematch; Bivol Has Asked To Look Into It

[Monty Fisto]

The title contrives to suggest that Bivol is the driving force behind the possibility of doing it at 168 but the article drips with comments making it clear that it's actually what both Canelo and the DAZN execs are pushing for - that it's them trying to sell it to Bivol.

I would prefer -- like most people I suspect -- for Bivol to fight Bebertiev, though it sounds like we're definitely not getting it next unfortunately or possibly even this year.

Regarding Bivol vs Canelo at 168 or 175. I am inclined to believe Bivol is genuinely more interested in 168 and the reason I say that is because I believe Bivol when he says he is more interested in legacy. We've already had the fight at 175 and we already have an answer as to who is better at that weight. If they run it over again, I have no reason to believe the result would be any different and Bivol should have no reason to think any differently. He has no legal obligation to take the rematch. What would be the reason to take it then? I think money would be the only big factor. This isn't irrelevant, but I give Bivol more credit than to think he would take the option for which $ is the only driver. At 168 it is a bigger challenge; win or lose, the possibility of undisputed at 175 remains on the table afterwards; and a loss would immediately be dismissed as a consequence of having to boil down.

Flipping it over, I am inclined to think Canelo is genuinely more interested in a rematch at 175. A win at 175 would properly avenge the loss, whereas a win at 168 would not do it in quite the same way. Similarly, another loss at 175 would not diminish Canelo's reputation and commercial appeal in the same way that a loss at 168 to Bivol would. Put simply: Canelo has more to gain potentially and less to lose at 175. This is balanced somewhat by the fact that 168 gives him more of a chance at winning, so there is that, i suppose.

That's my thinking anyway.

[buddyr]

so bivol is purposely trying to drain himself. He has to be experiencing brain damage already.

[PRINCEKOOL]

Challenging the undisputed champion to a fight at his weight is to be commended in my opinion. Bivol was willing to fight Canelo at 175, he seems willing to fight Canelo at 168, seems willing to fight Beterbiev at 175. I can't fault his attitude.

No, he is behaving like a challenger still 'Although he is the Champion, he beat Alavrez'.

When Chad Dawson was the Champion at 175 pounds, this type of low attitude effectively was the major reason why he lost to Andre Ward 'At 168 pounds'.

Andre Ward vs Chad Dawson should of been staged at 168 pounds 'And it would of been a great match up'.

It is kind of brave from Bivol, but it is a low type behavior 'It is not how a premier Champion should conduct himself'.

Plenty of fighters with belts these days, but how many of those fighters embody being a Champion?

Note: I would back Alvarez to beat him at 168 pounds 'I have also been one of the few people, who still give him a chance of beating him at 175 pounds in the rematch'.

[Hustle]

everything coming to plan for canelo, i didnt see it before but hes always got a trick up his sleeve. plant school bonavidez, canelo beat bivol at 168. and after bivol absorbs all the knowledge cancelo has been showing him,he will finally prepared enough to go beat beterbiev at 175. liam smith also on a post-canelo tear..
this is amazing

The same Liam that loss to Munguia....Lmaooo

[Apollo7]

No, he is behaving like a challenger still 'Although he is the Champion, he beat Alavrez'.

When Chad Dawson was the Champion at 175 pounds, this type of low attitude effectively was the major reason why he lost to Andre Ward 'At 168 pounds'.

Andre Ward vs Chad Dawson should of been staged at 168 pounds 'And it would of been a great match up'.

It is kind of brave from Bivol, but it is a low type behavior 'It is not how a premier Champion should conduct himself'.

Plenty of fighters with belts these days, but how many of those fighters embody being a Champion?

Note: I would back Alvarez to beat him at 168 pounds 'I have also been one of the few people, who still give him a chance of beating him at 175 pounds in the rematch'.

Bivol is saying the rematch will be on his terms, that's acting like a boss imo. Becoming a unifies champ and a two division champ is better for his career than just another defense at 175. He's not dropping his belts or anything so he is still behaving like a champion.

[Rebelrbg]

Get real. Canelo has been pushing for 175 this entire time. If Bivol wants to try for the 168 belts that’s on him, not Canelo. In the end, he must take which ever opportunity Bivol gives him.

But quit acting like it’s a “devalued” fight. A fight at 168 would be both fighters on a even playing field. It’ll prove who really is the better boxer. This fight isn’t just about Canelo either. Obviously Bivol wants to fight for legacy as well.

A small middleweight like Canelo tried to prove himself by fighting Bivol at 175. But Bivol trying to do the same at 168 is too much? Come on. If anything he still has a better chance at 168 than Canelo did at 175 lol. Canelo jumped 2 weight classes from where he should be with only 1 fight under his belt. Bivol is going down 1 weight class with PLENTY of experience fighting at 168.

If he can’t beat Canelo at 168 then it just proves Bivol didn’t win their first match, Canelo just lost it.

Terrible analysis, Cinnabon didn't jump 2 weight classes. He's a 168 lber that walks around at 180. He can't make 160 anymore, that's the main reason that GGG came up to fight him at 168, and all the other 160 lbers stopped asking for the fight unless they are willing to move up. Bivol didn't call out Ginger for the first fight at 175.

Cinnabon chose Bivol and wanted to prove a point by taking his belt and having championship belts in both divisions at the same time. The problem is he got his ass whooped, and now Hearn sees the opportunity to help him even out the only advantage that he can possibly help him with.

But in order to do that, there must be something in it that's beneficial to Dmitry, which is Canelo's titles at 168. Otherwise, Bivol is disinterested and will continue to make Beterbiev and undisputed in his own weight class his priority. The ass whooping Cinnabon took was of his own choice, and skill wise, he would take the same whooping again, but Fast Eddie is just trying to slant the table for Clenelo with the only thing that he can try to sell to Bivol. Also, Bivol doesn't have plenty of experience at 168, I don't know where you got that from, he's fought at 175 his entire career.

[PRINCEKOOL]

If Bivol was smart, he'll demand the rematch again at 175 or no fight.

This kind of behavior also highlights for me, the awareness that modern boxers have on their performance and overall conditioning.

And I think in this modern era of weight draining, boxers operate on a completely difference science and reasoning 'Compared to all other top athletes'.

Dropping 7 pounds, when you are already in peak condition. In no area, is going to make you a better fighter. Bivol is a solid fit fighter at 175 pounds, he is not one of these fighters who is out of conditioning fighting in a weight class.

All the attributes that make Bivol the fighter he is at 175 pounds, are going to be negatively effected.

Note: As I have stated in my other posts, Bivol is not behaving like a Champion. And I think this kind of move from him, would most likely insult Alvarez. Due to Alvarez's experience of coming through the weight classes, and his extensive knowledge of weight draining himself 'Alvarez I believe has a lot of awareness when it comes to his own conditioning and abilities'. He has competed in 5 different weight classes, and fought in multiple catch weight fights.

Alvarez if he is a fighters fighter, will demand this fight at 175 pounds. Because he wants 1000% glory. If he is being opportunistic? He will let Bivol come into the 168 pounds division, which is his strongest weight class 'I would say 160 pounds personally is Alvarez's best weight class, but 168 pounds is still within that range of performance'.

I would like the fight to happen at 175 pounds. Because I still give Alvarez a chance of beating Bivol in the rematch 'Bivol does not really have a elite inside game, and I don't think he has the power to stop Alvarez'. If Alvarez could some how improve his endurance, and educated movement 'If he can apply his superior inside game consistently, then he has a stylistic chance of winning'.

Alvarez quite simply, could not apply his best attributes vs Bivol. Because of his lacking in gears, endurance, and speed of movement.

If Alvarez had Joe Calzaghe, Carl Froch type endurance 'I think he would beat Bivol'.

[Shadoww702]

3 posts this time? Damn you’re an emotional little b**** aren’t you…

You’re obsessed man, seriously do you wanna f*** Canelo or something? It’s the only thing that could explain this compulsive obsession.

Dude we normally always agree and stay in our lanes.

My bad if I offended u.

I'll take the L on this and I'm not some Canelo Groupie. I don't even think I gave him 1 round against Mayweather

[Shadoww702]

3 posts this time? Damn you’re an emotional little b**** aren’t you…

You’re obsessed man, seriously do you wanna f*** Canelo or something? It’s the only thing that could explain this compulsive obsession.

Also I think Bivol would beat Canelo at 168.

And would put $$$$$$ on that

[TheOneAboveAll]

Didn't Hopkins fight 175 then dropped to 160 to fight Pavilik??? And WON??

Oppps u 4got about that.

I believe Hopkins was like 43 and Pavilik 26???

And u ain't a hater...

The Pavlik fight was technically at LHW or catchweight if you want. Bernard weighed in at 170lbs. Incredible win nonetheless.