Mayweather vs Marquez Registers 1 Million Pay-Per-View Buys

[Doctor_Tenma]

Sorry, in no way did Judah beat Mayweather.

I was just saying I was shocked that Judah was beating Mayweather (IMO) up until the low blow..... I think round 4?

I was also stating that Judah was a bad ass in his prime. He was too ****** at times, both in and out of the ring.

Oh ok, I misunderstood.

[WESS]

Oh ok, I misunderstood.

I think Pac would present May with the speed like Zab did. Once Mayweather who's "technically" better would adjust and its all down hill in a sense from there. Size, speed and power along with his A, B, C, D...... next time wont you sing with me plans, he walks away with a UD.

But hey that's just me. I don't see Pac getting passed Cotto so I'm not putting to much stock into that fight. A lot of my points I think will be pointed and highlighted when Pac fights Cotto.

[Doctor_Tenma]

I think Pac would present May with the speed like Zab did. Once Mayweather who's "technically" better would adjust and its all down hill in a sense from there. Size, speed and power along with his A, B, C, D...... next time wont you sing with me plans, he walks away with a UD.

But hey that's just me. I don't see Pac getting passed Cotto so I'm not putting to much stock into that fight. A lot of my points I think will be pointed and highlighted when Pac fights Cotto.

You seen my thread as to why I believe he will beat Cotto?

[WESS]

You seen my thread as to why I believe he will beat Cotto?

Naa hook it up. Not too many seem to see it my way.

[Doctor_Tenma]

Naa hook it up. Not too many seem to see it my way.

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=310570

[WESS]

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=310570

I have to say its good solid points but man I think his right hook is just fine for Pac. I think with the right hook to Pacs body when he takes him to the ropes (size plays into this).

I think Cotto will let Pac come to him and counter. You have to remember that Cotto's only lost was to Marg who hits a hell of a lot harder than Pac. Pac does move and comes at you with different angles I just don't see any power to have Cotto shaken.

Hoya and Hatton like I have said made people beleieve to thinking that Pac can **** with these big guys. Just as people give Mayweather crap for beating the slower, smaller etc etc JMM. Pac did the same to Hoya. It made him look better than he really was. Man Hoya in his prime would have murdered him then laughed and would do it all over again. Pacs great don't get me wrong. I just dont think you will see the greatness vs these bigger guys.

I think Cotto has everything needed to beat Pac. The movement will give Cotto hell but It think we will see Cotto fighting off his back foot with Pac coming at him but then I also see Pac being pushed up on the ropes with Cotto landing some nice body shots.

Solid points though. Great argument. At least its not just someone saying..... "because its Pac-man".....

[Doctor_Tenma]

I have to say its good solid points but man I think his right hook is just fine for Pac. I think with the right hook to Pacs body when he takes him to the ropes (size plays into this).

I think Cotto will let Pac come to him and counter. You have to remember that Cotto's only lost was to Marg who hits a hell of a lot harder than Pac. Pac does move and comes at you with different angles I just don't see any power to have Cotto shaken.

Hoya and Hatton like I have said made people beleieve to thinking that Pac can **** with these big guys. Just as people give Mayweather crap for beating the slower, smaller etc etc JMM. Pac did the same to Hoya. It made him look better than he really was. Man Hoya in his prime would have murdered him then laughed and would do it all over again. Pacs great don't get me wrong. I just dont think you will see the greatness vs these bigger guys.

I think Cotto has everything needed to beat Pac. The movement will give Cotto hell but It think we will see Cotto fighting off his back foot with Pac coming at him but then I also see Pac being pushed up on the ropes with Cotto landing some nice body shots.

Solid points though. Great argument. At least its not just someone saying..... "because its Pac-man".....

You should post that in my thread, keep it going.

[Dave Rado]

Well, Floyd's HBO explanation for not fighting mosley was more articulate than his Brian Kenny response ("Shane who has five losses?!")

When you say that you tried to make fights with the guy previously and he blew you off, that is sound justification.

Anybody reasonable can understand that.

Anybody reasonable can understand that he has no interest in his legacy. Giving his hurt feelings as a reason not to fight the best fighters in his own weight class is just pathetic. It's a very sad waste of a great talent.

[Al Haymon]

Anybody reasonable can understand that he has no interest in his legacy. Giving his hurt feelings as a reason not to fight the best fighters in his own weight class is just pathetic. It's a very sad waste of a great talent.

I don't think it is about hurt feelings. It is about Money.

You guys (the entire boxing community) anointed Floyd as the #1 p4p a while back, right? Was that based on his work at WW, or was that based on his career body of work up to that point? He didn't appoint himself, the boxing pundits did.

So now, he has been at WW for four years, minus a two year layoff. He fought the guys who were champions when he got to WW. Since then, he has been on a pure paper chase. Just like the other top p4p guys. Not making excuses. Just acknowledging what the reality is.

In the past four years, Manny has fought one elite fighter. And arguaby lost that fight. Bernard Hopkins had a couple of MW's jump two divisions up to LHW. He has the SMW champ move up to LHW, and lost. Manny had oscar larios move up two divisions. And Larios was coming off a wickedly brutal JO at 122 to fight Manny at 130. Right? Floyd isn't exactly the only one cherry-picking.


1998:


Oscar De La Hoya
Roy Jones Jr.
Evander Holyfield
Felix Trinidad
Mark Johnson
Shane Mosley
Ricardo Lopez
Floyd Mayweather Jr.
Naseem Hamed
Johnny Tapia

1999:

Roy Jones Jr.
Floyd Mayweather Jr.
Felix Trinidad
Oscar De La Hoya
Shane Mosley
Mark Johnson
Ricardo Lopez
Erik Morales
Bernard Hopkins
Stevie Johnston

2000:


Shane Mosley
Felix Trinidad
Roy Jones Jr.
Oscar De La Hoya
Diego Corrales
Naseem Hamed
Floyd Mayweather Jr.
Lennox Lewis
Erik Morales
Bernard Hopkins


2001:

Shane Mosley
Bernard Hopkins
Roy Jones Jr.
Marco Antonio Barrera
Floyd Mayweather Jr.
Felix Trinidad
Oscar De La Hoya
Ricardo Lopez
Kostya Tszyu
Erik Morales


2002:

Bernard Hopkins
Roy Jones Jr.
Marco Antonio Barrera
Vernon Forrest
Oscar De La Hoya
Kostya Tszyu
Erik Morales
Floyd Mayweather Jr.
Lennox Lewis
Shane Mosley


2003:

Roy Jones Jr.
Bernard Hopkins
Shane Mosley
Oscar De La Hoya
Floyd Mayweather Jr.
Manny Pacquiao
Kostya Tszyu
Erik Morales
James Toney
Antonio Tarver

2004:

Bernard Hopkins
Floyd Mayweather Jr.
Kostya Tszyu
Ronald (Winky) Wright
Manny Pacquiao
Juan Manuel Marquez
Marco Antonio Barrera
Erik Morales
Glen Johnson
Antonio Tarver

2005:

Floyd Mayweather Jr.
Ronald (Winky) Wright
Marco Antonio Barrera
Ricky Hatton
Manny Pacquiao
Erik Morales
Juan Manuel Marquez
Rafael Marquez
Jose Luis Castillo
Zab Judah


2006:

Floyd Mayweather Jr.
Manny Pacquiao
Ronald (Winky) Wright
Jermain Taylor
Bernard Hopkins
Marco Antonio Barrera
Rafael Marquez
Ricky Hatton
Jose Luis Castillo
Joe Calzaghe

2007:

Floyd Mayweather Jr.
Manny Pacquiao
Juan Manuel Marquez
Bernard Hopkins
Joe Calzaghe
Israel Vazquez
Miguel Angel Cotto
Ricky Hatton
Ronald (Winky) Wright
Rafael Marquez



This is just to illustrate that the boxing media was consistently sending him the message that "Floyd, you are the best, or one of the best."

[WESS]

Anybody reasonable can understand that he has no interest in his legacy. Giving his hurt feelings as a reason not to fight the best fighters in his own weight class is just pathetic. It's a very sad waste of a great talent.

naa man I think that's all he cares about him and his family. All they talk about is boxing history. THEY want to be remembered..... they just want to make the most money while doing it. It comes down to pride IMO. He doesn't want to "give in" to Mosley when Mosley didn't give in to him. He knows Molsey just wants a PAY DAY. Hints why he said he would move down to 140 to fight Pac.... ****** but worth 10 mil plus I guess. He's obviously not interested in his legacy. He just wants a retirement check.

On the flip side Mayweather should be fighting Mosley. I don't see why he wouldn't. Theirs no other fight right now until well after the Nov 14th mark. Why not sign now fight Mosley and winner gets Nov 14ths winner. Its two great fights to where he could answer any and all questions in. With a doubt be labeled THE BEST if he where to win them both. IMO he chances IMO are very high....... but I feel. I wish he would fight Mosley regardless of what or how he feels.