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[JOM'S]

Barerra & Morales not Elite?? PAC fought the Nos. 2,3 & 4 at SFW ?!?

and another question why is Williams name still being put at WW discussion, the guy is huge and will surely loose his strength if he goes back down to WW??

[Al Haymon]

Barerra & Morales not Elite?? PAC fought the Nos. 2,3 & 4 at SFW ?!?

Barrera was ABSOLUTELY elite in the first fight. Barrera was toast in the rematch.

Morales was pretty damn good in the first fight, fading by the second fight, and shot through a cannon by the third fight.

So, if you'd like to give Pac credit for the 2nd Mmorales fight, I can live with that. Cool.

Pac fought one point five elite fighters in the past four years.

[Dave Rado]

Delahoya was a top 3 welter weight when Pac fought him?

Um, how?!?

You should learn to read. I said he was ranked #3 at Jnr Middleweight at that time (by The Ring) - which he was.

[Dave Rado]

Barrera was ABSOLUTELY elite in the first fight. Barrera was toast in the rematch.

Morales was pretty damn good in the first fight, fading by the second fight, and shot through a cannon by the third fight.

So, if you'd like to give Pac credit for the 2nd Mmorales fight, I can live with that. Cool.

Pac fought one point five elite fighters in the past four years.

Barrera was ranked #3 in his weight class coming into the rematch. Morales was ranked #1 in his weight class coming into the second fight, and #3 coming into the third.

Marquez was ranked #1 in his weight class coming into the rematch.

Hatton was ranked #1 in his weight class coming into their fight.

De La Hoya was ranked #3 in his weight class (Jnr Middleweight) coming into his fight.

If you think that being ranked in the top 3 fighters in the world in your weight class doesn't make you elite then you don't know what the word elite means. It doesn't mean ATG. It just mean one of the best in your class.

[JM1]

i wasnt expecting this. good for boxing

[Dave Rado]

and another question why is Williams name still being put at WW discussion, the guy is huge and will surely loose his strength if he goes back down to WW??

Williams walks around between fights at just over 150lb - lighter than most of the other top Welterweights. He actually has to put on weight in training in order to fight at higher weights. His last Welterweight fight was only just over a year ago, and he's been trying to get fights at Welterweight ever since.

[Dave Rado]

In your previous post, you said that Delahoya was elite when Pac fought him

De La Hoya was ranked #3 at Jnr Middleweight by The Ring when both fighters fought him. If Floyd had also defended his Welterweight title against some Welterweights, there would have been nothing wrong with also fighting a Jnr Middleweight in addition to that. It's not as Floyd moved up to Jnr Middleweight. He just took a winnable fight against the #3 ranked Jnr Middleweight in order to be able to claim that he'd won a belt in another weight division. But he didn't defend either the lineal Welterweight title or the Jnr Middleweight belt.

In terms of being willing to take risks, though, few people expected Floyd to lose that fight, whereas almost nobody expected Pac to win it. It was a far higher risk fight for Pac than it was for Mayweather.

Taken in isolation, the Pac-De La Hoya fight wasn't a great legacy fight, but it was not cherry picking either, and it was a huge risk. And before and after that fight, Pac had been consistently fighting the top fighters in the divisions he had fought in.

I want to see Floyd in big fights. FMJ vs the winner of Pac/Cotto is a big fight. FMJ vs Mosley is a big fight. If Mosley loses to Berto or Clottey, I don't care to see Floyd fight Berto or Clottey.

He can fight Mosley now. And then the Pac-Cotto winner after that.

[WESS]

De La Hoya was ranked #3 at Jnr Middleweight by The Ring when both fighters fought him. If Floyd had also defended his Welterweight title against some Welterweights, there would have been nothing wrong with also fighting a Jnr Middleweight in addition to that. It's not as Floyd moved up to Jnr Middleweight. He just took a winnable fight against the #3 ranked Jnr Middleweight in order to be able to claim that he'd won a belt in another weight division. But he didn't defend either the lineal Welterweight title or the Jnr Middleweight belt.

In terms of being willing to take risks, though, few people expected Floyd to lose that fight, whereas almost nobody expected Pac to win it. It was a far higher risk fight for Pac than it was for Mayweather.

Taken in isolation, the Pac-De La Hoya fight wasn't a great legacy fight, but it was not cherry picking either, and it was a huge risk. And before and after that fight, Pac had been consistently fighting the top fighters in the divisions he had fought in.



He can fight Mosley now. And then the Pac-Cotto winner after that.

In terms of being willing to take risks, though, few people expected Floyd to lose that fight, whereas almost nobody expected Pac to win it. It was a far higher risk fight for Pac than it was for Mayweather.

I understand what your saying but these "people" that your talking about don't matter because I would bet that anyone would have (other than PWILL who's not even in the same weight class now a days) Mayweather the favor to win. His selection now a days are weak/smaller guys but hopefully he fixes that. When and if he does I would be willing to bet he's the favorite.

As to your point I understand what your saying but its not fair because as long as the weight is reasonable and hes not fighting like a MW or something I think he would be the favorite, but its all opinions and who's who really. Of course this would have to be from people that know the game and not just dumb asses here picking the guy in the opposite corner praying for Mayweather to lose (like a lot do). Not to mention that isn't Pac the favorite over Cotto? It seems like lately I'm the only guy saying Pac is going to lose...... Does that mean Pac's not taking a risk because he's the favorite to win?? This all goes back to me saying that Hoya and Hatton would make people beleieve he could beat Mayweather or a legit WW.

Anyway..

As much as this is an oxymoron of a statement, Mayweather has become this mime who's one of the BEST ATG's today, only thing is, the crowd is blind.

Now as much as that's arguable. I think its true when he faces Mosley/Cotto and wins or at least puts up a great fight..... People that say Mayweather needs to fight Pac just want an "exciting" and hyped fight and there's nothing wrong with that. I'm one of them but I don't think it will prove anything as far as Mayweather fighting top WW's. Even if Pac beats Cotto and Mayweather/Pac get it on and May wins, its still May beating up the smaller man. It will always be that way unless someone moves down from jr MW or is and has always been a WW. Even then someone would pick it apart because a lot of people don't have it in them to credit Mayweather with a win.

Anyway, if Pac wins these fights I have truly underestimated him (for the first time). He's one of my favorites JUST not with these big dogs. IMO he's over hyped at this point. Hoya and Hatton did a lot for his legacy but not much for his upcoming fights.

[Dave Rado]

I understand what your saying but these "people" that your talking about don't matter because I would bet that anyone would have (other than PWILL who's not even in the same weight class now a days) Mayweather the favor to win.

He would be the favourite to beat any Welter apart from PWill (PWill would be a pick 'em fight, IMO); but would start to regain the respect of neutral boxing fans if he defended the titles he won against some top Welters. Winning titles against relatively weak champions and then never defending them against anyone from that weight class is not the way to gain the respect of neutrals. As I said before there was nothing wrong with taking the De La Hoya fight if he had also defended his Welterweight title against Welterweights, or if he had defended his Jnr Middleweight title against Jnr Middleweights - but he didn't defend either title, except once against a Jnr Welterweight.

And Williams, Margarito, Cotto were all regarded at that time as being at least as much of a threat to him as De La Hoya was (and far more of a threat than Hatton was), and those were much more legitimate fights for someone claiming to be the world Welterweight champion.

How can you claim to be the world Welterweight champion if you beat a weak champion and then never defend your title against anyone in your own weight class, not even once? That is not how real champions behave and that behaviour simply can't be defended.

My point about Pac not being given any chance against De La Hoya was simply that to accuse Pac of cherry picking in that fight is absurd. The only person who was cherry picking in that fight was De La Hoya, and it backfired on him.

Of course this would have to be from people that know the game and not just dumb asses here picking the guy in the opposite corner praying for Mayweather to lose

Yes I'm talking about the picks of boxing experts.

Not to mention that isn't Pac the favorite over Cotto?

Only in terms of betting odds. Most boxing experts have not yet made a pick. We'll see who they pick closer to fight night. I suspect that Pac will end up a very narrow favourite amongst boxing experts, and if the fight had been at 147, I suspect Cotto would have been a very narrow favourite amongst boxing experts.



But going back to the main discussion, Mayweather should be fighting Mosley followed by the Cotto/Pac winner, followed by Williams. If he did that, he'd seal his ATG status and his legacy, and would regain the respect of almost all neutral boxing fans. But instead he's been giving silly reasons not to fight Mosley, which many of his so-called fans have been defending him for doing. He's also been sounding as if he may price himself out of a fight with the Pac-Cotto winner. And he's never even mentioned PWill, who I believe can still make Welterweight easily, and who has also called him out.

The only major fight available to him right now is Mosley - and Mosley is also regarded by almost every boxing expert in the world as the biggest threat to Mayweather of those who are fighting at Welterweight currently. The fact that Mayweather has been giving silly reasons not to fight him is sickening to most neutral fans who simply want to see the best fight the best. And the so-called Mayweather fans who have been defending him for not wanting to fight Mosley are even more sickening to most boxing fans. Their attitude just stinks, IMO.

[WESS]

He would be the favourite to beat any Welter apart from PWill (PWill would be a pick 'em fight, IMO); but would start to regain the respect of neutral boxing fans if he defended the titles he won against some top Welters. Winning titles against relatively weak champions and then never defending them against anyone from that weight class is not the way to gain the respect of neutrals. As I said before there was nothing wrong with taking the De La Hoya fight if he had also defended his Welterweight title against Welterweights, or if he had defended his Jnr Middleweight title against Jnr Middleweights - but he didn't defend either title, except once against a Jnr Welterweight.

And Williams, Margarito, Cotto were all regarded at that time as being at least as much of a threat to him as De La Hoya was (and far more of a threat than Hatton was), and those were much more legitimate fights for someone claiming to be the world Welterweight champion.

How can you claim to be the world Welterweight champion if you beat a weak champion and then never defend your title against anyone in your own weight class, not even once? That is not how real champions behave and that behaviour simply can't be defended.

My point about Pac not being given any chance against De La Hoya was simply that to accuse Pac of cherry picking in that fight is absurd. The only person who was cherry picking in that fight was De La Hoya, and it backfired on him.



Yes I'm talking about the picks of boxing experts.



Only in terms of betting odds. Most boxing experts have not yet made a pick. We'll see who they pick closer to fight night. I suspect that Pac will end up a very narrow favourite amongst boxing experts, and if the fight had been at 147, I suspect Cotto would have been a very narrow favourite amongst boxing experts.



But going back to the main discussion, Mayweather should be fighting Mosley followed by the Cotto/Pac winner, followed by Williams. If he did that, he'd seal his ATG status and his legacy, and would regain the respect of almost all neutral boxing fans. But instead he's been giving silly reasons not to fight Mosley, which many of his so-called fans have been defending him for doing. He's also been sounding as if he may price himself out of a fight with the Pac-Cotto winner. And he's never even mentioned PWill, who I believe can still make Welterweight easily, and who has also called him out.

The only major fight available to him right now is Mosley - and Mosley is also regarded by almost every boxing expert in the world as the biggest threat to Mayweather of those who are fighting at Welterweight currently. The fact that Mayweather has been giving silly reasons not to fight him is sickening to most neutral fans who simply want to see the best fight the best. And the so-called Mayweather fans who have been defending him for not wanting to fight Mosley are even more sickening to most boxing fans. Their attitude just stinks, IMO.

Simply put. I agree on everything and I know you know this but....

First off I'm a fan of the sport, then the fighters. Floyd, as controversial as his career may weather in hatred and drama by many types of fans, its what he dose to make people listen and how he performs that gets me. As much as people hate him they still listen. Like a villain in a movie, you might see that actor that played the villain and always relate him/her or judge him/her as a person according to the role they have played. Mayweather's role is the one that everyone loves to hate. He is boxing's bad boy.

Now, as much as I like him and all the drama he brings to the big poker table of boxing. It's his recent actions that concern me. I'm confused because he came back with a "hand shake" contract with golden boy promotions and a five fight deal, now four. What concerns me is that of his selections. If he wont fight Mosley, who else would he fight? The winner of Cotto and Pac? OK, that's one fight down three to go. PWILL is out of discussion. I highly doubt we see this. He almost makes Pavlik look little and if he beats Pav I doubt we see any WW mention his name. So who else is there? We all know the answer...

Mayweather has responsibilities to the sport. He was welcomed back by all if you liked it or not. Boxing as a whole missed him if you agree or not. The public called for him to return and the numbers and drama only proved what Mayweather has said from the start. We as the boxing fans have done are part and "paid" for his return. Now its his turn to do what he said he would do. Which is be the best and retain his P4P # 1 status. In order for this title we the fans and the boxing experts need to understand that unless he fights these seasoned TOP WW vets, we shouldn't agree to his self proclaimed status. If we do so, we are surely cutting ourselves short because as great as he is, IMO we haven't seen his full potential.

Mayweather's great. 2009 has been a good year. 2010 should be a great year. Mayweather has a big part in making it a great year. To some that could mean a loss and to others that could mean him retaining what was rightfully his. Easily put, fight the TOP WW's. Like it or not he's back and settled in as if he never left. He's not number one but its now his time to prove that he is or isn't.

So put the love/hate of a fighter away, this is for the love of the sport. Mosley and Mayweather would be a damn great way to start off the year if not a great gift from the Santa Clause.