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  • Str8.2.Da.Point
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    Realistically..... Jaron Ennis needs to be in the ring with......

    Blair Cobbs, Rashidi Ellis, Egidijus Kavaliauskas, Eimantas Stanionis, Vergil Ortiz Jr., or Yordenis Ugas.......

    He hasn't beaten anyone who has a pulse in the division. Have ZERO evidence of trying to get a fight with anyone in the top 15 of the division other than his recent petition with the IBF to fight Spence after hearing that Keith Thurman did the same thing just a week before with the WBC. He hangs his hat on wins vs Lipinets and Dulorme... A couple 140 lb contenders trying to move up to welterweight. Dulorme was stopped by Crawford back when Crawford was moving up to 140 from 135. Dulorme has lost 5 of his next 8 fights since.

    Keeping himself relevant in the sport by getting in front of a camera claiming "no one wants to fight him" is the only reason most pay attention to him.

    He's not a money fight. He hold zero titles. His resume doesn't make him a great legacy fight......yet......he nor his daddy can't understand why a couple world champions aren't dropping everything they are doing to jump in the ring with him......

    It's idiotic to suggest anyone at this level "fears" him. You don't accomplish what these world class fighters accomplish by being fearful of competition. Especially when that person has only shown himself to look superhuman vs individuals who 99% of the boxing community have to Google to find out who they are.

    Tonight Karen C. had Boot shadow boxing in the rounds and stood toe to toe with him in the championship round trading power punches.

    I've always hated when someone claimed to be a chef....because they know how to make spaghetti or nachos, like those are difficult dishes. Jaron Boots Ennis has an apron on while punching buttons on the microwave...... I can't stand it.
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    Stick to the kitchen
    Not so sure the sweet science is for you chef

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    • Godsfly
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      This is a spot on read.......I remember when boots had a fishing rod and a clan of idiots with him claiming they are deep sea fishing for spence. They were making gestures with their hands as to reel something in. By watching boots fight tonight they were reeling in a booty dew dance.

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        I would love to see him fight Crowley, Golub, Cobbs next.

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        • BoxingParadigm
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          What makes you imply Ennis is the reason those fights haven't happened? Usually, people who claim to be avoided are trying to get big fights but can't get the right dance partner to agree. Trying to enforce his mandatory position is the only thing he can do to show he really wants to fight the top guys since he's not a super star that generates a lot of money.

          By the way, I completely understand people go over board prematurely crowning the next ATG consistently, and some are doing it with Ennis. But the opposite then happens with a group of people who try to counter those claims by pointing out the weak resume and being overcritical. The weak resume is the result of the events that make the fighter feel avoided!

          Ennis looks like a good fighter and he deserves his title shot or another big fight. Anyone that wants to see what he's really made of should be rooting for him to get a title shot. As a champion he won't be in any sort of position to avoid people and he would have something most fighters want. Maybe Keith Thurman would agree to fight him once he has a belt just like he seems to be willing to do now with Spence.

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          • Str8.2.Da.Point
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            Originally posted by BoxingParadigm
            What makes you imply Ennis is the reason those fights haven't happened? Usually, people who claim to be avoided are trying to get big fights but can't get the right dance partner to agree. Trying to enforce his mandatory position is the only thing he can do to show he really wants to fight the top guys since he's not a super star that generates a lot of money.

            By the way, I completely understand people go over board prematurely crowning the next ATG consistently, and some are doing it with Ennis. But the opposite then happens with a group of people who try to counter those claims by pointing out the weak resume and being overcritical. The weak resume is the result of the events that make the fighter feel avoided!

            Ennis looks like a good fighter and he deserves his title shot or another big fight. Anyone that wants to see what he's really made of should be rooting for him to get a title shot. As a champion he won't be in any sort of position to avoid people and he would have something most fighters want. Maybe Keith Thurman would agree to fight him once he has a belt just like he seems to be willing to do now with Spence.
            Where in my entire post did you see me saying Ennis is the "reason" the fights didn't happen...... I simply pointed out that obvious fabrication that he can't get a decent opponent in the ring with him and why it is...... You are wrong.... Usually people who claim to be avoided are individuals who bring nothing to the table to make the opponent(s) they are chasing want to detour their path to get in the ring with them.

            Enforcing a mandatory is something he only recently done after seeing Keith Thurman do it. Ennis has been Spence mandatory since November of 2021. He didn't petition to fight Spence until November of 2022...yet he's been claiming people are avoiding him since 2019. Make it make sense

            Ennis passes the eye test with flying colors. I understand that climbing the ranks you will face guys that people will never hear about in the sport beyond fighting you. But Ennis is on the horn consistently claiming that he is better than the elites in the division. Says he's stronger, bigger, smarter, etc.....yet he has nothing on his resume that even gives us an accurate measure to how close he is to those elites he discredits.

            Ennis and his daddy has the nerve to discredit Crawford's resume.......The Terence Crawford who has victories over 11 fighters who were world champs at some point in their career. He stopped 8 of them. 4 of them were undefeated coming into the fight. Crawford has won 6 world titles moving up through 3 divisions. Has won Fighter of the Year 2x...should have been a 3rd time when he became undisputed but it was given to Loma for some reason. He's a 2x Lineal champion. What has Ennis done for him to knock Crawford's resume.....

            At this point, Ennis is all hype until he actually gets in the ring with someone who is a legit threat to get a world title in the division. Beating Lipinets, Dulorme, Clayton, Karen C......come on man...... And he needs to get off that "nobody wants to fight him" cry...... He is talented, but he has nothing that makes people want to chase him....there is a difference. He's no more scary than anyone else at the top of the division.

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              Originally posted by Str8.2.Da.Point
              Blair Cobbs, Rashidi Ellis, Egidijus Kavaliauskas, Eimantas Stanionis, Vergil Ortiz Jr., or Yordenis Ugas.......

              He hasn't beaten anyone who has a pulse in the division. Have ZERO evidence of trying to get a fight with anyone in the top 15 of the division other than his recent petition with the IBF to fight Spence after hearing that Keith Thurman did the same thing just a week before with the WBC. He hangs his hat on wins vs Lipinets and Dulorme... A couple 140 lb contenders trying to move up to welterweight. Dulorme was stopped by Crawford back when Crawford was moving up to 140 from 135. Dulorme has lost 5 of his next 8 fights since.

              Keeping himself relevant in the sport by getting in front of a camera claiming "no one wants to fight him" is the only reason most pay attention to him.

              He's not a money fight. He hold zero titles. His resume doesn't make him a great legacy fight......yet......he nor his daddy can't understand why a couple world champions aren't dropping everything they are doing to jump in the ring with him......

              It's idiotic to suggest anyone at this level "fears" him. You don't accomplish what these world class fighters accomplish by being fearful of competition. Especially when that person has only shown himself to look superhuman vs individuals who 99% of the boxing community have to Google to find out who they are.

              Tonight Karen C. had Boot shadow boxing in the rounds and stood toe to toe with him in the championship round trading power punches.

              I've always hated when someone claimed to be a chef....because they know how to make spaghetti or nachos, like those are difficult dishes. Jaron Boots Ennis has an apron on while punching buttons on the microwave...... I can't stand it.
              Daaaaaa……….,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

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                You are an idiot for having ortiz on that list. Virgil would beat the shlt out of booty

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                  Originally posted by Str8.2.Da.Point

                  Where in my entire post did you see me saying Ennis is the "reason" the fights didn't happen...... I simply pointed out that obvious fabrication that he can't get a decent opponent in the ring with him and why it is...... You are wrong.... Usually people who claim to be avoided are individuals who bring nothing to the table to make the opponent(s) they are chasing want to detour their path to get in the ring with them.
                  Straw man argument/question here, I didn't claim you said it, but I do think you've implied it. The first indication was your statement about him not beating anyone and having ZERO evidence of him trying to get a fight with anyone in the top 15 of the division, with the exception being the petition to fight Spence for his IBF title. You're demanding he fights people who may not really want to fight him for the fair market price and framing the situation as if he may be the problem because you don't have any evidence of him trying to get a fight with a top 15 fighter. How do you know if he's tried or not? I don't, but maybe the top guys don't want to fight him because he brings nothing to the table and he is not a soft touch.

                  The whole people who claim to be avoided are individuals who bring nothing to the table... is not a black and white thing. Yeah, Ennis doesn't bring money to the table but that doesn't mean he's not being avoided. There's still people that bring nothing to the table that get big opportunities, and that's because they're more beatable than someone like Ennis. Again, Ennis is asking for the opportunities and we don't really know what's happening behind closed doors.

                  Originally posted by Str8.2.Da.Point
                  Enforcing a mandatory is something he only recently done after seeing Keith Thurman do it. Ennis has been Spence mandatory since November of 2021. He didn't petition to fight Spence until November of 2022...yet he's been claiming people are avoiding him since 2019. Make it make sense
                  So what? Are you saying he enforced his mandatory too late for your liking? Spence didn't even fight in 2021 and his fight against Ugas was a unification bout, which would have taken priority anyways. Maybe he was just too optimistic his shot would be enforced sooner rather than later.

                  Originally posted by Str8.2.Da.Point
                  Ennis passes the eye test with flying colors. I understand that climbing the ranks you will face guys that people will never hear about in the sport beyond fighting you. But Ennis is on the horn consistently claiming that he is better than the elites in the division. Says he's stronger, bigger, smarter, etc.....yet he has nothing on his resume that even gives us an accurate measure to how close he is to those elites he discredits.
                  You say there's nothing in his resume that gives an accurate measure of how close he is to the elites but he has a common opponent with Crawford. Granted, that was not Dulorme at his best but Dulorme has been what he is ever since he was exposed by Abregu. Crawford stopped him in 6 and Ennis in 1. I'm not saying the win is of the same value, but you can get something out of it.

                  You're also using his admittedly weak resume and contrasting it with his ambitious goals of fighting the top fighters as a bad thing. Who cares if he thinks he's better than the top guys, that they're avoiding him or afraid of him. He's a fighter, he's supposed to think that. I don't think Spence, Crawford, Thurman and most other top fighters are afraid of him, but he may not make any business sense right now for them, and that can be frustrating for someone like Ennis. If Crawford or Spence have a problem with him running his mouth they can shut him up in the ring.

                  Originally posted by Str8.2.Da.Point
                  Ennis and his daddy has the nerve to discredit Crawford's resume.......The Terence Crawford who has victories over 11 fighters who were world champs at some point in their career. He stopped 8 of them. 4 of them were undefeated coming into the fight. Crawford has won 6 world titles moving up through 3 divisions. Has won Fighter of the Year 2x...should have been a 3rd time when he became undisputed but it was given to Loma for some reason. He's a 2x Lineal champion. What has Ennis done for him to knock Crawford's resume.....
                  Maybe this is what really bothered you about him? I don't really follow Ennis, but I wouldn't be cool with him disrespecting Crawford's resume. Talk about a glass house... regardless, I think some (and I thought your post was one of those) are going a little too far on the other side of the spectrum by dissing Ennis.

                  Originally posted by Str8.2.Da.Point
                  At this point, Ennis is all hype until he actually gets in the ring with someone who is a legit threat to get a world title in the division. Beating Lipinets, Dulorme, Clayton, Karen C......come on man...... And he needs to get off that "nobody wants to fight him" cry...... He is talented, but he has nothing that makes people want to chase him....there is a difference. He's no more scary than anyone else at the top of the division.
                  I actually think Lipinets was a pretty good win. He's definitely hyped, but he seems to have substance too, even you said he passes the eye test with flying color so what gives? I tend to think he's more willing to fight the guys you mentioned in your opening post more than those guys are willing to fight him.

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                    Originally posted by Str8.2.Da.Point
                    Blair Cobbs, Rashidi Ellis, Egidijus Kavaliauskas, Eimantas Stanionis, Vergil Ortiz Jr., or Yordenis Ugas.......

                    He hasn't beaten anyone who has a pulse in the division. Have ZERO evidence of trying to get a fight with anyone in the top 15 of the division other than his recent petition with the IBF to fight Spence after hearing that Keith Thurman did the same thing just a week before with the WBC. He hangs his hat on wins vs Lipinets and Dulorme... A couple 140 lb contenders trying to move up to welterweight. Dulorme was stopped by Crawford back when Crawford was moving up to 140 from 135. Dulorme has lost 5 of his next 8 fights since.

                    Keeping himself relevant in the sport by getting in front of a camera claiming "no one wants to fight him" is the only reason most pay attention to him.

                    He's not a money fight. He hold zero titles. His resume doesn't make him a great legacy fight......yet......he nor his daddy can't understand why a couple world champions aren't dropping everything they are doing to jump in the ring with him......

                    It's idiotic to suggest anyone at this level "fears" him. You don't accomplish what these world class fighters accomplish by being fearful of competition. Especially when that person has only shown himself to look superhuman vs individuals who 99% of the boxing community have to Google to find out who they are.

                    Tonight Karen C. had Boot shadow boxing in the rounds and stood toe to toe with him in the championship round trading power punches.

                    I've always hated when someone claimed to be a chef....because they know how to make spaghetti or nachos, like those are difficult dishes. Jaron Boots Ennis has an apron on while punching buttons on the microwave...... I can't stand it.
                    Bold is the correct answer.

                    A fight against Blair Cobbs is a waste of time, frankly.

                    Ellis might be interesting, Ugas might be interesting. Those are the only ones I see that would be a good and fair step up and even then, only Ugas feels like he would be a natural evolution for Boots at this point - Ellis, I would like to see him fight Cobbs. That would be a good measure for where both guys are at.

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