Comments Thread For: Spence: 'I Got Helluh Options, I'll Fight Whoever; Crawford Looked Good vs. Avanesyan, KO Was Nasty'

[Damn Wicked]

Porter was with PBC. Crawford asked Arum to get him the fight, repeatedly, that is who he begged. Porter, to his credit, did want the fight and got PBC to make it.

Porter looked in great shape, fought a good fight. Bud caught him and stopped him. I find it hilarious that Spence fans act like Porter basically laid down. Im sure he wanted to get KOd. He retired because he got KO'd. Had he beat Bud he likely would have fought a few more times.

I like Spence and he isn't scared of Bud...but PBC and Spence know how big a risk it is, and if Spence gets stopped, he loses what little clout he has and as a PBC fighter, they want his 0 intact. Sorry.

No disrespect to Bud , but Porter said that he was planning on retiring after that fight and he had hip surgery sometime around the fight with Crawford because Porter was having big problems with his hip joint. Crawford beat a worse version of Porter than Spence beat and Spence beat a worse version of Porter than Thurman beat. Porter retired because he was ripe for retirement. He even talked about it before the fight with Crawford.

[djtmal]

I wish these cats would quit saying they will fight anybody

[BlackRobb]

he's not fighting those mandatories. Virgil will stop stan. That will leave ennis and virgil petitioning for their shot. Haymon will pull manny out of retirement first or have all 3 belts allow spence to fight a voluntary. They would try to force another eliminator between virgil and ennis first. Spence holding all of those belts has "f"up the division. Drunk, not fighting shape, eye injury, 2 car accidents but it's all crawford's fault.

#allfacts I'm not certain Vergil had an easy time with Stanionis, though.

[peplz]

There is always some sort of AB side in really big fights to suggest there isn't is you being delusional, I just cited the extreme big-name fighters to show it in workings, if you've been in any negotiation there is always a case of one guy wanting more because of record, ticket sales, public appeal, its the way it's always been, Ive seen the A B side scenario in 6 round state title fights, seen it first hand in Commonwealth title fights, its real and its built into the TC Spence fight.

They did offer him a guarantee which has been reported from the other side by numerous people it wasn't high enough and he rejected it, just one of the contradictions you wanted, the other is transparency which he got and said he didn't, when the Muhammad Ali act makes transparency law and fighters must sign a form every fight, so Bud saying there was no transparency is BS.

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/106/hr1832/text

‘(b) DISCLOSURES TO THE BOXER- A promoter shall not be entitled to receive any compensation directly or indirectly in connection with a boxing match until it provides to the boxer it promotes--

‘(c) INFORMATION TO BE AVAILABLE TO STATE ATTORNEY GENERAL- A promoter shall make information required to be disclosed under this section available to the chief law enforcement officer of the State in which the match is to be held upon request of such officer.

• ‘(1) the amounts of any compensation or consideration that a promoter has contracted to receive from such match;
  
  ‘(2) all fees, charges, and expenses that will be assessed by or through the promoter on the boxer pertaining to the event, including any portion of the boxer’s purse that the promoter will receive, and training expenses; and
  
  ‘(3) any reduction in a boxer’s purse contrary to a previous agreement between the promoter and the boxer or a purse bid held for the event.

The only thing we know is that neither fighter was going to get paid a guarantee. I’m not going with fan conspiracy theories and rumors. I’m only going with what is openly available to the public until what’s openly available changes. And I’m pretty sure Terence Crawford wanted more than just transparency. He also wanted the right of refusal. If Spence and company are trying to negotiate from the point of view that Crawford has no bargaining power then its no wonder that the fight hasn’t happened. And there isn’t always an A B scenario in every fight. What about fights where theres a 50/50 split? They do happen.

[Blond Beast]

Seems to me they are scared of each other.

I think you are right that the fear of actually losing to the other guy seems to outweigh the reward of possibly winning for these guys. I can’t say to how much they detest each other or if they even do. If they were buddies they’d have fought four times by now. That’s the thing, can’t they trust their skills that they won’t get blown out in one or two rounds by the other guy? It’s more likely it’s a twelve round chess match, even disappointing possibly. They should be banking on making a trilogy with each other. Getting paid three times. Then come out of retirement to fight each other again.

[johncods]

These two chicken ****s just going to circle each other.. Hell probably fight Thurman or the guy Crawford beat..

Of course Crawfords going to be ok with it and fight another bum and the cycle continues until these 2 retire and talk about who's better

[Roadblock]

The only thing we know is that neither fighter was going to get paid a guarantee. I’m not going with fan conspiracy theories and rumors. I’m only going with what is openly available to the public until what’s openly available changes. And I’m pretty sure Terence Crawford wanted more than just transparency. He also wanted the right of refusal. If Spence and company are trying to negotiate from the point of view that Crawford has no bargaining power then its no wonder that the fight hasn’t happened. And there isn’t always an A B scenario in every fight. What about fights where theres a 50/50 split? They do happen.

They need something like the fanbases of Manny Floyd to get that 50/50, could happen I just don't think they will give TC 50/50 anything, if he wants the fight it will be at a cost, he is the one that's got to step back and take less, there is always one that takes less except for those few rare big fights.

There is stories of there being a guarantee, only it was rejected, that's different than saying no guarantee was offered, and I just proved the transparency as being false because its mandatory by law that the promotor must disclose to the fighter , (2) all fees, charges, and expenses that will be assessed by or through the promoter on the boxer pertaining to the event, including any portion of the boxer’s purse that the promoter will receive, and training expenses;

Bud is talking BS on the transparency claims.

[Zaroku]

These two chicken ****s just going to circle each other.. Hell probably fight Thurman or the guy Crawford beat..

Of course Crawfords going to be ok with it and fight another bum and the cycle continues until these 2 retire and talk about who's better

This post I like very much and Jhonny respects you

he watches boxing and recognizes knowledge

he is watching a boxing compilation

[peplz]

My point is you don't have facts, you have what I have hearsay, from sitting on the other side of the wall I guess you could say in your opinion the fight can be made immediately, the people on the inside might have a lot more information than you that says otherwise.

Me personally I don't buy into media hearsay too much, its got to be congruent with undeniable sources which most of it doesn't have, the biggest red flag for me is Bud took off and made another fight, and there is no denying that the PBC side didn't know TC was doing that, Errol was down for one fight and was left with no fight, in my mind that tells me Bud did not want the Spence fight at the time of the negotiation after saying he agreed to all terms, then came up with transparency with Ive already shown with Ali Law is BS.

You see this is in when it becomes obvious that you are ignoring some of the facts that are openly available to the public. Mike Coppinger from ESPN has said the same thing that Crawford himself said. Terence Crawford wanted to have an expense sheet and at least some right to accept or refuse to take on expenses that would be assigned to his portion of the event’s net profits. And many have come out and said that he was asking too much for wanting to have the power to approve any part of the events budget because he supposedly doesn’t have the leverage or bargaining power to make such demands. And when it comes to the notion that Spence wanted one fight and then he had no fight, I have to say that is absurd. Crawford wanted to have at least one fight in the year of 2022. The Spence fight was not going to happen this year. It had already been announced that the Nov. 19th date was officially off and that the Spence fight wouldn’t happen until the next calendar year before the Avanesyan fight was announced. And Errol Spence did not look like he had been training for a fight recently on the night of the Rivera vs Martin fight. His belly was noticeably protruding. So when was he planning on getting in the ring next if he’s(from the look of things) not even training for a fight? And it had already been made public knowledge that the fight with Crawford wasn’t happening this year. The notion that Crawford ruined Spence’s schedule by taking a stay busy fight against Avanesyan doesn’t add up when you analyze the available facts and look at the timeline.