To all Floyd HATRZ......

[big_james10]

The first name you mentioned was Whitaker. Whitaker fought the best many times over. Period. Even at welterweight.

Educate me on who Whitaker fought many times over. He fought Oscar once, Trinidad once and Julio Cesar Chavez once. So who did he fight many times over?

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Educate me on who Whitaker fought many times over. He fought Oscar once, Trinidad once and Julio Cesar Chavez once. So who did he fight many times over?

When did I mention he fought the same fighter many times over? He fought plenty of great fighters and tested himself countless times. From Nelson, McGirt, Chavez, Vasquez right up to even a prime Oscar.

[big_james10]

The fighter makes the belt, not vice versa. Oscar De La Hoya may have held a 154lb crown but he hadn't proven to be the best at the division had he? Seriously, who did he beat that made him the best fighter at 154? When was the last time he had a significant win?

Was it not Floyd Mayweather who declared Baldomir wasn't worthy of a shot? Wasn't it Floyd Mayweather who said he got lucky against Zab? Wasn't that the reason why he took the fight with Zab even though Zab had just lost? What changed a few months later? Tell me.

With the exception of Marquez, I have never heard Mayweather say a positive word about any opponent BEFORE the fight. So, what's your point? I noticed that you said nothing in this post about who he SHOULD HAVE FOUGHT. So, once again, enlighten us who he should have fought!!

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With the exception of Marquez, I have never heard Mayweather say a positive word about any opponent BEFORE the fight. So, what's your point? I noticed that you said nothing in this post about who he SHOULD HAVE FOUGHT. So, once again, enlighten us who he should have fought!!

Are you daft? He was saying these things about Baldomir before the Zab fight, not when he fought Baldomir! Nearly everywhere he went Floyd was asked why he was taking a fight with Zab when Zab had just lost. And his response was that Zab wasn't himself that night; Baldomir didn't deserve a shot; Baldomir got lucky, etc. And that was why he chose to fight the loser. So tell me, what changed a couple months later? How did Baldomir become worthy to where he deserved a shot after Zab got one first?

[big_james10]

When did I mention he fought the same fighter many times over? He fought plenty of great fighters and tested himself countless times. From Nelson, McGirt, Chavez, Vasquez right up to even a prime Oscar.

I could make the same argument about Floyd. I was a huge fan of Whitaker and loved watching him fight and am not discounting his accomplishments. I thought he got robbed against Oscar. My question is what is your idea of tested? Does it mean being in a competitive fight? Whitaker was in plenty of those. Floyd has not, but its not because his opponents were not good. IT is because he was so much better. He has fought the best at every weight with the exception of 140 when he couldn't get a fight against Hatton, Kostya Tyszu or Cotto.

[Unbiased]

I'm on this site often, just browsing and keeping as current as I can on the sport. Sometimes I read a thread that either seems entertaining, or just plain wrong.
To really know the sport is to love it, I mean to really know what the sport I really about is something not all of us have got a grip on. Some of us are fans of the brawler types, the guy will
ing go toe to toe and just swing for the fences _(Myorga types)_... Others may be fans of the "Fiter" _(Pac Man).... Then you have "The Pure Boxer" (Mayweather)..

I see a lot of Floyd bashing, then again I see that he also gets some love. I see guys saying things that really let's me know that they don't really know anything.
I'll go thru a short list of some of the things I've read and give input on it.

1. Floyd MayRunner.
Floyd is a pure boxer so to expect him to do anything other than that is foolish. The sport is called boxing , not stand and trade. Hit and don't get hit, make um miss nd make um pay (The sweet science)
Is that not what he does? With that much talent and skill why stand and trade? That's like sending ur halfback up the gut when the outside is open.

2. Fite a guy ur own size..
He's 5'8" maybe 150 walking around. If you check ur stats , he's been fiting guys his size and mostly bigger. Oscar, Diego, Hernandez and the list goes on guys, come on.
Please check ur stats. Floyd has fought bigger and stronger guys and handled his biz.

3. Marquez went up 2 divs, Floyds never done that.
Now this one leads me into a few facts.
1. And this answers the "He's ducking Shane" argument. Floyd was at 135, Shane and Oscar were fiting at 154 at the time. Both were comming down to 147 when he called them both out. He was willing to jump 2 divs to fite either one so that killed 2 birds withe stone so if I'm wrong prove I it.

Say what will about the on camera ****y person u see on tv (I was taught not to judge less I'm perfect myself) but don't deny his skills. The man is pure poetry to a real boxing fan. And for those wanting his ppv to flop or just hating on him just because, then it shows how well ur life is going (misery loves company).
Just listen to the man after every fite, he has nothing but praise and admiration for the guys he faces and that seems to be the real Floyd. But before the fite? Think about it, if u have ever been in any type of combat, be it a street fite or boxing at that moment that guy is ur enemy, he wants knock u out. In a pro boxers case "he wants to take the food from ur kids mouth".
I don't blame him, most the time I think he's halfway trying to convince himself that he can win... So let's just enjoy the sport, check our history bcuz its a lot that some don't know but they speak on it as if they do.

I'm just a fan of the sport and I recognize what I see when I see it. I give props where they r due. Floyd is a very special athlete and can box his ass off. As far as his mouth, all I can say is " Show me a fiter that does not believe he's the best, and I'll show u a fiter that will never be champ".

I can honestly say that I have no preference when it comes to styles of boxing. Aside from the fact that I don't like watching one-dimensional ones. (e.g. Margarito Pavlik) I love Floyd as a boxer equally as much as I dislike him as a person.

When it comes to the size issue, its true Floyd fought bigger guys when he was younger.

But the fact is that RIGHT NOW he is a true WW. He has grown into being a TRUE WW and that is where he belongs. As he has gotten older, his mature and natural body mass is at 147.

Marquez is a true 130 pounder and has fought at that weight or lower until he was 35 years old! His true natural bodyweight as a fully grown and mature adult is at lightweight. For him to pack on 12 more pounds at 36 years old is unnatural.

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I could make the same argument about Floyd. I was a huge fan of Whitaker and loved watching him fight and am not discounting his accomplishments. I thought he got robbed against Oscar. My question is what is your idea of tested? Does it mean being in a competitive fight? Whitaker was in plenty of those. Floyd has not, but its not because his opponents were not good. IT is because he was so much better. He has fought the best at every weight with the exception of 140 when he couldn't get a fight against Hatton, Kostya Tyszu or Cotto.

My idea of tested is that you take on the best available opponent. If you make it look easy, more power to you. Floyd Mayweather hasn't taken on the best available opponent in ages. Roy Jones did this as well in the latter years of his prime but hey, at least he was fighting quality light heavyweights. Let's see Floyd take on a top welter. Wouldn't you want to see that?

[cixthree]

With the exception of Marquez, I have never heard Mayweather say a positive word about any opponent BEFORE the fight. So, what's your point? I noticed that you said nothing in this post about who he SHOULD HAVE FOUGHT. So, once again, enlighten us who he should have fought!!

Dude, you are killing thing guy. See that is what I'm talking about, these guys post and comment off emmotion and not facts or history. They read the titles and just run with it. Thanks for exposing it.

[big_james10]

Are you daft? He was saying these things about Baldomir before the Zab fight, not when he fought Baldomir! Nearly everywhere he went Floyd was asked why he was taking a fight with Zab when Zab had just lost. And his response was that Zab wasn't himself that night; Baldomir didn't deserve a shot; Baldomir got lucky, etc. And that was why he chose to fight the loser. So tell me, what changed a couple months later? How did Baldomir become worthy to where he deserved a shot after Zab got one first?

He also criticized Oscar, Arturo Gatti and Hatton long before fighting them. He has also criticized Mosley, whom he has not fought yet. So what is your point? To answer your question, I can tell you exactly what happened, although you will only believe what you want. Floyd tried to make a fight against Baldomir but Baldomir was asking for too much money because Baldomir wanted to fight Arturo Gatti instead. Floyd fought and beat Judah. Baldomir KO'd Gatti and then agreed to fight Mayweather.

And you still haven't answered my question about who Floyd should have fought!!!! I have to give you credit. You are as good at dodging that question as Floyd is at dodging his opponent's punches.

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He also criticized Oscar, Arturo Gatti and Hatton long before fighting them. He has also criticized Mosley, whom he has not fought yet. So what is your point? To answer your question, I can tell you exactly what happened, although you will only believe what you want. Floyd tried to make a fight against Baldomir but Baldomir was asking for too much money because Baldomir wanted to fight Arturo Gatti instead. Floyd fought and beat Judah. Baldomir KO'd Gatti and then agreed to fight Mayweather.

And you still haven't answered my question about who Floyd should have fought!!!! I have to give you credit. You are as good at dodging that question as Floyd is at dodging his opponent's punches.

Why do you continue to make excuses for him? Why are you bringing up examples of people he criticized? These were his responses as to why he chose to fight the loser of a fight instead of the winner, not random questions on what he thought of such and such.

Second, your info is wrong. I have to step out but be prepared for my response. Baldomir wanted the Floyd fight, it was Floyd who wanted the Zab fight. Baldomir began negotiations with Gatti quite late, if I recall correctly, and prior to that had been negotiating with Antonio Margarito because he couldn't get a fight with Floyd. Please point to a link stating Baldomir wanted too much money to fight Floyd. I'll return to copy links supporting what I say so you have a head start.