Comments Thread For: Hearn Says He Has 'Bit of Sympathy' For Haymon in Spence-Crawford Negotiations

[hhh1200]

It’s funny when a man falls and the pile on crew is there to make sure that a mistake that happened THREE YEARS AGO is played up to this day as if he still has an issue. He has spoken on this and came clean about alcohol and his decreased activity. Yet, you’ll have the National Enquirer cheer fan section fully immersed into celebrity worship continue the saga. We all need a little female drama. I get it.

FYI, SRL was an alcoholic and drug abuser but still an ATG. If it makes you feel better to keep rehashing s h I t from three years ago I guess to each his own.

Spence ain't SRL. He has to be Crawford first to reach that height. And they won't put in him in the ring with Crawford to prove the doubters wrong. They'll send him to 154 or let Canelo destroy him at 164 first. Oh, but that 55 million offer from Haymon to Canelo wasn't real, right?

[dan-b]

Fans have all the power because they pay the bills.

Less true than ever as Middle East dictators are funding boxing now.

[dan-b]

BS. No fans, No buyrate. No buyrate, no way to mitigate risk.

Fans are the ONLY ones with power.

That's why Mexican fighters get such good turnouts and why Mexican fighters tend to always get big fights.

We just saw Carlos Ocampo who fought in Mexico all but one time recently get a big fight out of nowhere. Why? Mexican fans.

Why do you think Mayweather can command eight figure paydays fighting nobodies? Fans.

Why do you think Crawford "can't sell out a family reunion"? He lacks fans.


It's not hard, brother

Putting aside the Middle East money pouring into the sport which is not fan dependent, what you're suggesting would require fans to act in unison. I've never seen any signs of them being willing to do that, they take what they're given and just complain on the internet.

[P to the J]

The thing is, it's an easy conflict to get around.

The B-Side has to accept ALL TERMS.

Don't complain, don't question, don't fight, don't negotiate in bad faith.

Accept ALL TERMS.

Certain people don't get this.

• Devin Haney just pulled off TWO championship fights back-to-back and didn't have an issue, unifying 135 in the span of time we've been talking about this.
• Fury and Wilder had a trilogy - PBC and Arum working together. Some issues but the point is, they fought THREE TIMES in the span of time that we've been talking about Spence/Crawford happening.
• Spence took the WBC from Porter and the WBA from Ugas, stopping prime Ugas for the first time where Manny Pacquiao failed to even get close. All in the time we were talking about Spence/Crawford.
• Jermell Charlo unified 154 in that same span of time.
• Canelo Alvarez unified 168 in that same span of time.
• We had Rungvisai and Estrada fight twice in that same span of time.
• We had two Rungvisai/Choco fights in that same span of time.
• We had TWO Joshua/Ruiz fights in that same span of time.
• We had TWO Joshua/Usyk fights in that same span of time.
• Josh Taylor unified 140 in that same span of time.

Etc etc etc. All in the span of time that Crawford was sitting comfortable collecting a check at Top Rank (Bob Arum put that on blast, so it can't be denied).

All he had to do after leaving Top Rank is either (A) join PBC or (B) stay solo but regardless, ACCEPT ALL TERMS, go in there and prove what you say, then you can call shots. Not before.

That's the problem. Even Porter called it out. He wants to negotiate like an A-Side against Spence, that's what held the fight up. Not PBC.

My issue is that Crawford's fans think Spence is the one to prove something when no - Spence has THREE belts and FIVE Top 5 Welterweight scalps. This isn't hard.

Like I’ve said before, I don’t care if the split’s 99-1, as long as the fight’s on.

[Combat Talk Radio]

Putting aside the Middle East money pouring into the sport which is not fan dependent, what you're suggesting would require fans to act in unison. I've never seen any signs of them being willing to do that, they take what they're given and just complain on the internet.

Mexican fans don't care. They support their fighters.

Which is why, despite quitting and losing to an MMA fighter, they still show up to Chavez Jr. fights.

[Combat Talk Radio]

Like I’ve said before, I don’t care if the split’s 99-1, as long as the fight’s on.

The problem with your stance is, you aren't listening to Hearn as to WHY the fight isn't on.

The BUSINESS of boxing.

If you don't care to understand it, then you can sit and mope in the corner.

Bottom line: when one fighter doesn't play by the rules in the BUSINESS of boxing, you won't get your fight, and if you claim to be a fan, you will properly criticize that fighter for preventing from getting the fight you want.

[Bronx2245]

I dont disagree at all about them being better fights. Stanionis is better than " Once upon a time " Thurman. That said I believe Spence fights Thurman because it's the softer touch and hopefully we get one of the other fights mid spring 2023.

You might be right, but if Spence fights Thurman, he will lose a lot of cool points with me! I want to see these YGs: Boots & Vergil, get a shot! I hope Stanionis fights Boots or Vergil, if Spence hurts my feelings, and fights Keith "Once Upon a Time" Thurman!

[P to the J]

The problem with your stance is, you aren't listening to Hearn as to WHY the fight isn't on.

The BUSINESS of boxing.

If you don't care to understand it, then you can sit and mope in the corner.

Bottom line: when one fighter doesn't play by the rules in the BUSINESS of boxing, you won't get your fight, and if you claim to be a fan, you will properly criticize that fighter for preventing from getting the fight you want.

No, no… I understand perfectly the economics, and that’s the entire point of my original comment: namely, that consumer (in this case, boxing fan) interests will almost always be in conflict with purveyor interests. Namely, I don’t actually care who gets what, I just want the fight. The same way that the promoter doesn’t actually give a **** what I enjoy beyond that my enjoyment is a means to their value extraction.

This is from where the conflict emerges, because my financial stake in fights being made is as high as the purveyor’s interest is in taking what they perceive to be below market value in making fights I want to occur.


Now, if there’s a party to blame for the failure of such operations, then let them have it. If a demand is considered unreasonable, and it objectively appears so, the party responsible should be slated. But let’s be real, it doesn’t really matter to us if demands which seem unreasonable are accepted; that’s how we got Haney vs. Kambosos. Which is why I say: I don’t care if a split is 99-1; if both parties are cool with such, then the fight goes down.


Which makes the fact that no-one round here minds that Top Rank and PBC have outright blocked big fights because they don’t want their big name players on DAZN in any form, even with the latter getting a share of broadcasting, all the more interesting. I wouldn’t care about this if DAZN accepted terms on such, and the fights occurred. But they haven’t accepted, and objectively, that’s because it’s unreasonable. So where’s the criticism for the other parties?

[Combat Talk Radio]

No, no… I understand perfectly the economics, and that’s the entire point of my original comment: namely, that consumer (in this case, boxing fan) interests will almost always be in conflict with purveyor interests.

This is from where the conflict emerges, because my financial stake in fights being made is as high as the purveyor’s interest is in taking what they perceive to be below market value in making fights I want to occur.


But let’s be real, it doesn’t really matter to us if demands which seem unreasonable are accepted; that’s how we got Haney vs. Kambosos. Which is why I say: I don’t care if a split is 99-1; if both parties are cool with such, then the fight goes down.

These three statements contradict each other.

Let's see if I can help you understand why, using the bold.

It was a given that Mayweather / Pacquiao would draw huge when it was near finalized. Promoters on both sides and networks were happy.

But be honest.

If you had a magical future viewing mirror, and it let you see rounds 7-10 as a preview, would you consider the fight worth paying what they asked you for it?

The answer is no.

What about rounds 4-6? Absolutely, you'd probably have paid even more.

But then afterwards, you'd realize that 4-6 is really all Manny had.

People paid because of expectations of their guy based on past performances.

Manny didn't show up. Floyd fought the same way he always does.

Floyd fans felt like they got their money's worth. Manny fans didn't.

But the promoters and networks understand: fans pay to see "their guy" go in there and at least try to win. That's how they base the numbers.

Crawford has an asterisk next to every single 147 win. None of them were without smoke.

Crawford went on record twice as saying his ATG win is Jeff 'The Hornet' Horn, "The Man Who Beat The Man" and that his ESPY means something.

Bob Arum went on record saying that Crawford doesn't draw money.

Do the math.

If Crawford doesn't draw money, nobody will pay higher prices to see him, yet he's demanding higher pay than he commands. You can't have it both ways.

Thst means one thing, brother: and all I've ever asked.

You and many others "just want to see the fight". Fine. In this case, Crawford is the ONLY reason you're not going to get it. So stop supporting a fighter who refuses to give you what you want, regardless of why.

[peplz]

Crawford literally admitted on record that he sought out a sketchy "hedge fund" for...what?

A guarantee.

Oops

Wow. The above comment is a pure example of someone who has a completely biased position and will think of anything to say to support it. No matter how thin. No matter how dishonest. Crawford said individuals approached him and offered him a guarantee to put the fight on. He said nothing about a hedge fund and he said nothing about seeking them out. And you conveniently left out the part that he brought the offer to Al Haymon and Haymon turned it down without consideration. And Spence admitted on Twitter that he felt the offer only benefited Crawford. Meaning that Spence also turned down the offer without consideration.