Comments Thread For: Hearn Says He Has 'Bit of Sympathy' For Haymon in Spence-Crawford Negotiations

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Arum stated he was losing money on Bud for years. Hearn said he had no interest in signing him.

Haymon was willing to do the Spence fight but he wasn’t taking a bath on it. If the fight did big business then everyone gets paid.

Bud was scared to bet on himself.

This is just a straight up lie. Crawford accepted a lesser percentage and no guarantee. He requested an expense sheet and thats all that anyone has ever been able to say as to what killed the negotiations.

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BS. No fans, No buyrate. No buyrate, no way to mitigate risk.

Fans are the ONLY ones with power.

That's why Mexican fighters get such good turnouts and why Mexican fighters tend to always get big fights.

We just saw Carlos Ocampo who fought in Mexico all but one time recently get a big fight out of nowhere. Why? Mexican fans.

Why do you think Mayweather can command eight figure paydays fighting nobodies? Fans.

Why do you think Crawford "can't sell out a family reunion"? He lacks fans.


It's not hard, brother

Crawford has sold out the arena in Omaha on multiple occasions.

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The thing is, it's an easy conflict to get around.

The B-Side has to accept ALL TERMS.

Don't complain, don't question, don't fight, don't negotiate in bad faith.

Accept ALL TERMS.

Certain people don't get this.

• Devin Haney just pulled off TWO championship fights back-to-back and didn't have an issue, unifying 135 in the span of time we've been talking about this.
• Fury and Wilder had a trilogy - PBC and Arum working together. Some issues but the point is, they fought THREE TIMES in the span of time that we've been talking about Spence/Crawford happening.
• Spence took the WBC from Porter and the WBA from Ugas, stopping prime Ugas for the first time where Manny Pacquiao failed to even get close. All in the time we were talking about Spence/Crawford.
• Jermell Charlo unified 154 in that same span of time.
• Canelo Alvarez unified 168 in that same span of time.
• We had Rungvisai and Estrada fight twice in that same span of time.
• We had two Rungvisai/Choco fights in that same span of time.
• We had TWO Joshua/Ruiz fights in that same span of time.
• We had TWO Joshua/Usyk fights in that same span of time.
• Josh Taylor unified 140 in that same span of time.

Etc etc etc. All in the span of time that Crawford was sitting comfortable collecting a check at Top Rank (Bob Arum put that on blast, so it can't be denied).

All he had to do after leaving Top Rank is either (A) join PBC or (B) stay solo but regardless, ACCEPT ALL TERMS, go in there and prove what you say, then you can call shots. Not before.

That's the problem. Even Porter called it out. He wants to negotiate like an A-Side against Spence, that's what held the fight up. Not PBC.

My issue is that Crawford's fans think Spence is the one to prove something when no - Spence has THREE belts and FIVE Top 5 Welterweight scalps. This isn't hard.

You are talking complete nonsense. Wilder and Fury was a 50/50 split. There was no A-Side/ B-Side dynamic in that fight. And there is no parallel in the circumstances of any of the other fights you mentioned with Crawford - Spence negotiations either. Just a super biased Spence fan spouting off nonsense. Crawford has proven more and has more accomplishments in the sport of boxing than Errol Spence. They have fought two of the same opponents and Crawford has out performed Spence on both occasions. Crawford is a multi division champion and has been at the top of the pound for pound list and fighter of year on multiple occasions. He is a former undisputed champion. What Spence fans don’t seem to understand is that ALL OF HIS ACCOMPLISHMENTS count towards his status in the sport. It doesn’t matter what weight class it was done in. As a matter of fact, the fact that he has come up in weight to face Errol Spence is an accolade in and of it self. The idea that what he accomplished in the lower weights doesn’t add to his status in the sport is something that was made up specifically to try to give Spence an advantage in negotiations by biased Spence fans on youtube. What are pound 4 pound rankings for if its not about fighters who move up weight divisions. Why is it that boxingscene always addresses Manny Pacquioa as 8 division champion before speaking about him if what he did to earn those previous 7 division championship title’s didn’t count for anything? So this notion that saying “at welterweight” gives Spence some kind of advantage over Crawford is completely illegitimate and is a new fabricated standard that was made up by biased Spence fans to protect his image for all of the excuses that he’s made.
Spence is nowhere near such a big star that Crawford should have to accept all terms from him no matter what they are. It’s completely biased and delusional for you to think otherwise. Spence is not a Pay Per view star at all actually. Neither is Crawford. This is a big fight because of both fighters. Neither guy is bringing more interest in this fight amongst fight fans than the other. Its the quality of the fight itself that fans are anticipating which sells this fight. This the only fact that counts for the circumstances of getting this fight made.

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He did accept all terms didn't he? No guarantee and 35% of the profits. Now if you're basing your purse on the profits, surely you would be curious to see the expenditure, no?
I know I would

You are exactly correct sir. There just happens to be people here who have to ignore reality to make their points.

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And apparently, they gave him the ok to not only look at expenditure but also to ok it, meaning Bud had the rights over pretty much everything, this is why Errol called on bud to show the contract because its all there, Bud declined just as he declined to show his hedge fund, why is Bud trying so hard to convince fans yet refuse to show the two things that would show with doubt who is lying.

This is just a straight up lie. The fight didn’t happen because they didn’t want to provide him with an expense sheet. They haven’t even denied this. You are just making things up. Why can’t Errol Spence show the contract since he is the one calling for contracts to be shown to the public on twitter? And he should have access to the contract also with his Man Down promotions outfit running things and doing all of the heavy lifting supposedly. No one does that is why. You are the only person who has asked for Crawford to “show the hedge fund”. Spence said on Twitter that the offer of the guarantee only benefits Crawford. He isn't asking for Crawford to show “the hedge fund” at all. He just isn’t interested. As a matter of fact no one has ever even mentioned a “hedge fund” other than biased Spence fans and youtube media guys.

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The problem with your stance is, you aren't listening to Hearn as to WHY the fight isn't on.

The BUSINESS of boxing.

If you don't care to understand it, then you can sit and mope in the corner.

Bottom line: when one fighter doesn't play by the rules in the BUSINESS of boxing, you won't get your fight, and if you claim to be a fan, you will properly criticize that fighter for preventing from getting the fight you want.

You don’t know anything about the business of boxing either. You’re just a super biased Spence fan looking for any ammunition to make excuses for your favorite fighter and bandying it about as some kind of practical understanding. Its just bias. You don’t know what you’re talking about more than anyone else here. And probably much less than most.

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And then he wanted Haymon to buy him a new kitchen cabinet set with a viking range to cook the pot on

Turning a lie into a joke doesn’t stop it from being a lie.

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wait a sec, that sounds right up buds street, ezy money, just pick up that ezy cash, take 40% if u have to & options on any rematch maybe and get it done, get the contract checked by people who know about contracts and if haymon wont do a fair contract tell us exactly what u agreed to and he gets the blame

Yeah sounds like something that already happened.