Comments Thread For: Daily Bread Mailbag: Haney-Lomachenko, Spence-Crawford, Jake Paul, More

[rrayvez]

Jose Benavidez isn't good now and he wasn't good 4 years ago. He was ruined by the gunshot.

Julius Indongo wasn't good either. Nor was Thomas Dulorme.

Stop trying to put a spin on Dud's resume. It's like putting lipstick on a pig.

You used the word epic which nobody else used when referring to them. So you had an agenda from the jump. Now you want say they weren’t good boxers at all and are just making yourself look foolish. But hey, you’re entitled to your opinion and it’s obvious that your opinion stems from the perspective of a casual who doesn’t know much boxing nor has ever boxed. It’s your right to be wrong either way though.

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You used the word epic which nobody else used when referring to them. So you had an agenda from the jump. Now you want say they weren’t good boxers at all and are just making yourself look foolish. But hey, you’re entitled to your opinion and it’s obvious that your opinion stems from the perspective of a casual who doesn’t know much boxing nor has ever boxed. It’s your right to be wrong either way though.

Don't use the word epic, then. Since Dud's resume obviously isn't that.

Let's use your word "good."

How many boxing fans do you think would classify Jose Benavidez and Julius Indongo as good? Not many, unless they have an agenda to fluff up Dud's resume.

[rrayvez]

Don't use the word epic, then. Since Dud's resume obviously isn't that.

Let's use your word "good."

How many boxing fans do you think would classify Jose Benavidez and Julius Indongo as good? Not many, unless they have an agenda to fluff up Dud's resume.

that was my point, it’s a good resume. You’re the one who tried to act like someone referred to them as epic. If we’re being real, nobody who became “undisputed” recently had an epic run of opposition to get there. But for you to refer to them as less than good exposes you as a casual with an agenda. And that agenda is likely to discredit him on the pound for pound list because you’re not happy that he’s ahead of someone you’re likely a fan of.

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that was my point, it’s a good resume. You’re the one who tried to act like someone referred to them as epic. If we’re being real, nobody who became “undisputed” recently had an epic run of opposition to get there. But for you to refer to them as less than good exposes you as a casual with an agenda. And that agenda is likely to discredit him on the pound for pound list because you’re not happy that he’s ahead of someone you’re likely a fan of.

It's not a good resume at all.

Let's go by BoxingScene's Competition Index. Which is not a "casual" nor does it have an agenda. It simply uses an algorithm to rank how tough the competition is that a fighter is facing.

Dud Crawford isn't even in the top 10 in that list.

He actually comes in at number 30.

https://www.boxingscene.com/top-six-...update--169493

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Right.

Danny Garcia just whipped him.

Danny is no bum he has been a top performer his whole career.

Its funny how people will pump a guy up and tear down quality fighters into the rubbish bin, its not like that, from the top contenders to the World Champion is a fraction of a second, that's why on a good night certain fighters excel, its very hard to stay in the zone, only the very best can do it time and time again, Benavidez is a quality fighter that fights in the hot and cold zone often, his fight with TC was one of his best the trouble was he was in with an elite guy.

For me TCs resume is weak, but I don't deny Bud's ability he is right up there, I just wish he would fight the top guys and I see this DA fight as another waste of legacy time.

[rrayvez]

It's not a good resume at all.

Let's go by BoxingScene's Competition Index. Which is not a "casual" nor does it have an agenda. It simply uses an algorithm to rank how tough the competition is that a fighter is facing.

Dud Crawford isn't even in the top 10 in that list.

He actually comes in at number 30.

https://www.boxingscene.com/top-six-...update--169493

Nice try casual but the way boxing scenes competition index works is it’s based on most recent competition faced and based on where those opponents rank in that weight class. Not for a career and doesn’t assess fights from 3 plus years ago. So none of the opponents you’re criticizing are even assessed in this index. Massive fail on your part.

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Nice try casual but the way boxing scenes competition index works is it’s based on most recent competition faced and based on where those opponents rank in that weight class. Not for a career and doesn’t assess fights from 3 plus years ago. So none of the opponents you’re criticizing are even assessed in this index. Massive fail on your part.

So in recent years Dud's comp level is not good. Proven by the Competition Index.

And 3 plus years ago opponents like Indongo and Thomas Dulorme didn't give him a good resume either.

It is what it is.

[rrayvez]

So in recent years Dud's comp level is not good. Proven by the Competition Index.

And 3 plus years ago opponents like Indongo and Thomas Dulorme didn't give him a good resume either.

It is what it is.

You tried to provide an index that wasn’t relevant to the specific opponents you referenced. Again, nobody other than you used the word epic but if you don’t think those opponents are worthy of being called “good” then like I said, you’re entitled to your opinion. Just don’t get bothered when people who actually know boxing don’t take your opinion seriously. It is what it is.

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You tried to provide an index that wasn’t relevant to the specific opponents you referenced. Again, nobody other than you used the word epic but if you don’t think those opponents are worthy of being called “good” then like I said, you’re entitled to your opinion. Just don’t get bothered when people who actually know boxing don’t take your opinion seriously. It is what it is.

The Index is relevant to Dud Crawford. He is ranked 30th when it comes to facing tough opposition. You say the Index only applies to recent years...ok, fair point.

But then if we go back to earlier years his resume STILL sucks. So the pattern of his career is clear to see.

It's not a matter of "people who actually know boxing," it's a matter of you having an agenda to defend Dud and not being able to handle it when it's pointed out that guys like Julius Indongo aren't good.

[rrayvez]

The Index is relevant to Dud Crawford. He is ranked 30th when it comes to facing tough opposition. You say the Index only applies to recent years...ok, fair point.

But then if we go back to earlier years his resume STILL sucks. So the pattern of his career is clear to see.

It's not a matter of "people who actually know boxing," it's a matter of you having an agenda to defend Dud and not being able to handle it when it's pointed out that guys like Julius Indongo aren't good.

It 100% has to do with knowing boxing. People like you try to rely on irrelevant indexes while people who know boxing know what they’re looking at and understand that while epic is an overstatement, saying certain pro boxers just aren’t good isn’t accurate. If Indongo wasn’t any good, he wouldn’t have become an undefeated world champion by beating burns on the road. Dulorme was a solid fighter that was a hot prospect at 1 time who many thought beat Ugas and may have if it wasn’t for the ref taking a point away and also had a questionable draw vs vargas that many thought he won. Benavidez was also an undefeated fighter who was massive for welterweight and if you know boxing, you’d see that the version that Crawford faced would’ve given any current ww a tough fight that night. None were world beaters or elite or “epic” and nobody is referring to them as such, but to say they weren’t at least deserving of being called good while you’re on a keyboard is laughable. But go on and use irrelevant indexes to make your point.