What do these fighter's have in common?

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Yordenis Ugas, Danny Garcia, Mikey Garcia, Kel Brook, Shawn Porter, Carlos Ocampo and Lamont Peters on?

Answer is not just that they all fought Errol Spence over the last 5 years but that they were all given a guarantee on their split of a deal with Errol Spence.

Terrence Crawford was not. You can pretend all you want that Al Haymon the savior and worship him like ******ed sheep but it's very very clear that he sabotaged any chance of this fight being made just like he has done with other Boxers and other fights.

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one guy wants a high guarantee & the other offers zero guarantee, what about meeting somewhere in the middle, is that too much to ask?

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None of those guys versus Spence is anywhere near as big as the Crawford fight though. You can’t compare Spence-Ocampo to Spence-Crawford.

While I do believe Haymon tried to lowball Crawford, I also think Crawford would have made more than any of those guys you listed did vs Spence.

I’d love to know what Crawford was forecasted to make if he’d have taken the Spence fight. That’s the million dollar question though I guess.

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one guy wants a high guarantee & the other offers zero guarantee, what about meeting somewhere in the middle, is that too much to ask?

This…

Several ego’s got in the way of this fight I reckon.

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The Porter father and son team used to get that brunt of dislike from uncle Al Haymon. He didn't like them. The Porters wanted better paycheck when Shawn was holding a title. I don't think uncle Al gave in. I think the PBC chief doesn't like the Crawford/Bomac team.

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None of those guys versus Spence is anywhere near as big as the Crawford fight though. You can’t compare Spence-Ocampo to Spence-Crawford.

While I do believe Haymon tried to lowball Crawford, I also think Crawford would have made more than any of those guys you listed did vs Spence.

I’d love to know what Crawford was forecasted to make if he’d have taken the Spence fight. That’s the million dollar question though I guess.

He could of ended up with 1 solitary Dollar, or less. Yes that was unlikely but that's the risk Crawford was asked to take. None of Spences other opposition was asked to take that risk. As for wondering what Crawford was forecasted to make, Crawford was wondering that too, that's why he was asking for some transparency in to what was going on.

This whole deal was destined to fail because Al Haymon set it up to fail.

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He could of ended up with 1 solitary Dollar, or less. Yes that was unlikely but that's the risk Crawford was asked to take. None of Spences other opposition was asked to take that risk. As for wondering what Crawford was forecasted to make, Crawford was wondering that too, that's why he was asking for some transparency in to what was going on.

This whole deal was destined to fail because Al Haymon set it up to fail.

1 dollar.

Don’t be ridiculous. Crawford would have made good money fighting Spence, multimillions no doubt. Was it less than he deserved? Probably, but it still would have been a big payday.

Crawford would have obviously been told his forecasted pay based on performance based criteria. I’d love to know what it was but obviously that kind of stuff will remain disclosed.

Tbh man, I just think you’re using this as a vehicle to push your agenda against PBC/Haymon. I think Al is definitely at fault in some respect but the failed negotiations don’t solely fall on him. The structure of the deal was definitely dodgy too but I have no doubt Crawford would have still earned good money.

I’m a massive Crawford fan but he’s definitely at fault too. He’s the guy that withdrew from negotiations as well to sign with Triller 2.0 or whatever they’re called to fight Avanesyan. He’s just wasting the limited prime he has left with meaningless fights like that.

I wish Crawford would have just bet on himself man, take the smaller slice of the pie, beat Spence and then you’re the guy with the leverage, whether that be for a rematch, a Charlo fight, a Thurman fight etc etc. I’m confident he beats Spence too, that’s the most frustrating part. Crawford is the guy losing out on the most by far here and it’s somewhat his own fault.

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1 dollar.

Don’t be ridiculous. Crawford would have made good money fighting Spence, multimillions no doubt. Was it less than he deserved? Probably, but it still would have been a big payday.

Crawford would have obviously been told his forecasted pay based on performance based criteria. I’d love to know what it was but obviously that kind of stuff will remain disclosed.

Tbh man, I just think you’re using this as a vehicle to push your agenda against PBC/Haymon. I think Al is definitely at fault in some respect but the failed negotiations don’t solely fall on him. The structure of the deal was definitely dodgy too but I have no doubt Crawford would have still earned good money.

I’m a massive Crawford fan but he’s definitely at fault too. He’s the guy that withdrew from negotiations as well to sign with Triller 2.0 or whatever they’re called to fight Avanesyan. He’s just wasting the limited prime he has left with meaningless fights like that.

I wish Crawford would have just bet on himself man, take the smaller slice of the pie, beat Spence and then you’re the guy with the leverage, whether that be for a rematch, a Charlo fight, a Thurman fight etc etc. I’m confident he beats Spence too, that’s the most frustrating part. Crawford is the guy losing out on the most by far here and it’s somewhat his own fault.

So why not give him some level of guarantee? They managed it for everybody else who has fought Spence and if its projected to make good money even a 1 million Dollar guarantee is something. If the norm was not to do that then fair enough but they have made an exception for Crawford and it could only ever cause a negative effect on the chance of the deal being done.

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Crawford insists he had two financial backers willing to pay both of them a guaranteed $25 million each. Not sure what else could hold up the fight besides the “back end” talk. If this is true, it goes back to what I said in another thread, they need to be realistic about what they are worth.

https://www.boxingscene.com/crawford-hedge-fund-offered-me-spence-25m-guaranteed-apiece-haymon-wasnt-interested--170159

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So why not give him some level of guarantee? They managed it for everybody else who has fought Spence and if its projected to make good money even a 1 million Dollar guarantee is something. If the norm was not to do that then fair enough but they have made an exception for Crawford and it could only ever cause a negative effect on the chance of the deal being done.

I agree with you in that respect. They should have offered him a guarantee. I suspect what Crawford wanted in total wasn’t something they could commit to though and that’s why we got this unusual structure.

I’d assume Crawford getting no guarantee meant he was getting a higher split and therefore could potentially make more money in total.

I completely agree that PBC tried to somewhat shaft Crawford in the negotiations, I think they definitely lowballed him. Maybe it was even a smokescreen offer. However, when alternative is Avanesyan on a streaming app with a very limited audience wouldn’t Crawford have been better just calling Team Spence’s bluff? Even in taking a lowball offer, Crawford still would have made upwards of $10m IMO. I think this fight would have done really well in terms of PPV revenue, gate etc. Both sides have shot themselves in the foot by failing to deliver it.