Loma Haters

[Legends456]

Because they are fanboys of another boxer around the same division.

Maybe the best explanation.

[Damn Wicked]

I’m no Wilder fan, but he’s better than a lot of people give him credit for. I’m still unsure how good — we know he’s a level below Fury, and once he fights Usyk, Joshua, and Joyce we’ll have a better idea. As it stands, he may be best heavyweight of this era that isn’t a Gypsy… I only lose it when people deludedly claim he’d knock out my favorite heavyweight, Muhammad Ali. But Wilder is a decent heavyweight, probably HOF worthy. If nothing else, he has ten heavyweight belt defenses and that’s in some pretty rarified air.

To your second comment, whatever happened to the importance of diversity in a community, in a sport, whatever? Shouldn’t people be happy he’s made boxing title fights a little bit more diverse? Shouldn’t our goal as boxing fans to see an even mix of Afro-American, white, Asian, Latin, African, Indian, and Polynesian champs? I may sound like I’m being sarcastic, but I’m serious. Variety is the ****e of life. When everybody looks the same, it’s boring.

I agree that we still have to see what level Wilder is at. We still don't truly know. He has some good attributes but we have to see how he matches up against TOP fighters, not lower level guys. We've already witnessed his destruction at the hands of Fury. There was nothing ambiguous about those results...Fury clearly dominated him. Now I'd like to see Wilder in with Usyk, Joshua, Joyce and any of the other top heavyweights...Only then will we be able to assess how good he is.

Regarding the second comment - Yes, diversity should be a good thing, but many boxing fans are only interested in attaching themselves to their own race, as if they are a winner of the fight by proxy of their race (ego driven bullsheet). It's a hit to their ego when a fighter of another race is successful, dominant, loved, admired and highly skilled, willing to face all opposition. This human inferiority complex is wide spread through every human on earth, though some are particularly sensitive, weak minded and prone to it. You can see it on these forums...white, black, hispanic, asian people with victim mindsets, living vicariously through the people of their race who dare to actually fight. Every race crying about the others, pretending superiority of their own race. Sometimes they state it openly and blatantly, but often they express it subtly enough that you can only fully see it by watching their repeated posts that display their biases. Racism is foolishness but it seems that many humans are fools.

I agree with you. If everyone was the same race (we all looked the same and acted the same) life would be much less interesting and beautiful. I love that the world is full of different races, people, and minds. We want colour and we need to all be brothers and sisters.

[sicko]

Always liked and respected Loma and Ukraine Boxing Program as a whole

I remember Loma in World Series of Boxing and that Great Ukraine team from Loma to Usyk to Gvozdyk to Derevychenko to Glazkov and others that was a GREAT Team so no hate here

The Issue however is that Loma sadly become the Face of an AGENDA same with GGG. It is some very HATEFUlL Americans who decided to start rooting against their own American Fighters to hype Eastern European Fighters out of SPITE. No Other Country does but for some reason we have these American Fans and Boxing Media People who have some sort of Animosity against some American Fighters. Loma and GGG seem like great guys, people who been in Camp with them all say they are very nice guy so I Feel for them and I feel like that prevented them from becoming even bigger. They was dragged into some BS that neither ever signed up for and it is just unfortunate

Boxing is VERY VERY "Tribal" I will say that

[Legends456]

I agree that we still have to see what level Wilder is at. We still don't truly know. He has some good attributes but we have to see how he matches up against TOP fighters, not lower level guys. We've already witnessed his destruction at the hands of Fury. There was nothing ambiguous about those results...Fury clearly dominated him. Now I'd like to see Wilder in with Usyk, Joshua, Joyce and any of the other top heavyweights...Only then will we be able to assess how good he is.

Regarding the second comment - Yes, diversity should be a good thing, but many boxing fans are only interested in attaching themselves to their own race, as if they are a winner of the fight by proxy of their race (ego driven bullsheet). It's a hit to their ego when a fighter of another race is successful, dominant, loved, admired and highly skilled, willing to face all opposition. This human inferiority complex is wide spread through every human on earth, though some are particularly sensitive, weak minded and prone to it. You can see it on these forums...white, black, hispanic, asian people with victim mindsets, living vicariously through the people of their race who dare to actually fight. Every race crying about the others, pretending superiority of their own race. Sometimes they state it openly and blatantly, but often they express it subtly enough that you can only fully see it by watching their repeated posts that display their biases. Racism is foolishness but it seems that many humans are fools.

I agree with you. If everyone was the same race (we all looked the same and acted the same) life would be much less interesting and beautiful. I love that the world is full of different races, people, and minds. We want colour and we need to all be brothers and sisters.

Great comment.

[Legends456]

Always liked and respected Loma and Ukraine Boxing Program as a whole

I remember Loma in World Series of Boxing and that Great Ukraine team from Loma to Usyk to Gvozdyk to Derevychenko to Glazkov and others that was a GREAT Team so no hate here

The Issue however is that Loma sadly become the Face of an AGENDA same with GGG. It is some very HATEFUlL Americans who decided to start rooting against their own American Fighters to hype Eastern European Fighters out of SPITE. No Other Country does but for some reason we have these American Fans and Boxing Media People who have some sort of Animosity against some American Fighters. Loma and GGG seem like great guys, people who been in Camp with them all say they are very nice guy so I Feel for them and I feel like that prevented them from becoming even bigger. They was dragged into some BS that neither ever signed up for and it is just unfortunate

Boxing is VERY VERY "Tribal" I will say that

That’s fair points you make.

I try hard to “police” my tribalism in my boxing fandom. I think we are all susceptible to it. I’m American, with a central & Eastern European father, and a Mexican & British (Scottish, to be specific) mother. I tend to gravitate to fighters who look like my family. But I also get behind American fighters even when they DON’T look like me. Muhammad Ali is one of my all-time favorites. And, I was really, REALLY high on Crawford even though he looks nothing like me (although admittedly I’m not exactly happy with him right now, granted I don’t know all the details and probably never will). On the converse, I was a huge Josh Taylor fan but grew to dislike his personality, and was furious when he got the robbery against Catterall.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I feel like maybe British fans tend to be less tribal and just support the guy from their country, but I could be wrong. Brit fans can be annoying af, but it seems whatever color they are, they tend to support the British boxer whether he be white, black, gypsy, Pakistani, or whatever… good for them for that if it’s true.

[Legends456]

Always liked and respected Loma and Ukraine Boxing Program as a whole

I remember Loma in World Series of Boxing and that Great Ukraine team from Loma to Usyk to Gvozdyk to Derevychenko to Glazkov and others that was a GREAT Team so no hate here

The Issue however is that Loma sadly become the Face of an AGENDA same with GGG. It is some very HATEFUlL Americans who decided to start rooting against their own American Fighters to hype Eastern European Fighters out of SPITE. No Other Country does but for some reason we have these American Fans and Boxing Media People who have some sort of Animosity against some American Fighters. Loma and GGG seem like great guys, people who been in Camp with them all say they are very nice guy so I Feel for them and I feel like that prevented them from becoming even bigger. They was dragged into some BS that neither ever signed up for and it is just unfortunate

Boxing is VERY VERY "Tribal" I will say that

Speaking of Gvozdyk, I really enjoyed his fights and was disappointed his career ended so abruptly.

I heard some people say he was mentally damaged from nearly beating Stevenson to death in their fight. Others said that Beterbiev ended his career because of how much damage he took in their fight.

I heard some talk he might be making a comeback awhile ago, but I haven’t heard anything else for awhile.

[daggum]

Why is there so much hate for Lomachenko? Seriously, it’s almost on the level of TDS!

He’s no top 20 ATG, but he did have a hall of fame worthy career.

I’d rate him on the level of a Wilder or a Mosley or a Froch.

wow thats a pretty big insult to loma. very good sneaky troll

[Lance98]

He is white east Euro. he is hated by black Americans.

I am not a black, and I am not impressed with loma. I think that he is overrated, acts like a diva and to make things worse, he lies a lot. He lied about not petitioning for the franchise title when wbc themselves admitted that he asked for it. I am not just referring to loma, but any person who insults my intelligence and tries to lie don't deserve my praise. They got to do better than that.

[daggum]

Always liked and respected Loma and Ukraine Boxing Program as a whole

I remember Loma in World Series of Boxing and that Great Ukraine team from Loma to Usyk to Gvozdyk to Derevychenko to Glazkov and others that was a GREAT Team so no hate here

The Issue however is that Loma sadly become the Face of an AGENDA same with GGG. It is some very HATEFUlL Americans who decided to start rooting against their own American Fighters to hype Eastern European Fighters out of SPITE. No Other Country does but for some reason we have these American Fans and Boxing Media People who have some sort of Animosity against some American Fighters. Loma and GGG seem like great guys, people who been in Camp with them all say they are very nice guy so I Feel for them and I feel like that prevented them from becoming even bigger. They was dragged into some BS that neither ever signed up for and it is just unfortunate

Boxing is VERY VERY "Tribal" I will say that

you think people should support american fighters no matter what and no matter what they do yet you call other people tribal? you do realize the main reason a lot of american fighters are so successful is because they take advantage of that tribal sentiment right? some american fighters just suck and refuse to fight anyone good. its not really a surprise a lot of people took a liking to ggg and loma when they were willing to actually fight and exposed a lot o the frauds who wouldnt. it doesnt even matter if they are the best or greatest ever. at least they were willing to try and prove it unlike some of their american counterparts. there are still people to this day that will lie and say ggg ducked ward or some BS just to further their tribal agenda but literally in court ward got exposed for ducking the fights hbo wanted(ggg included) while ward wanted to fight dmitri sartison. his own promoter said this and the court ruled in his promoters favor because ward had no comeback. floyd was a joke. he had all the power in boxing and refused to make the fights while constantly changing his demands. tank davis has been a "champ" for 6 years and hasnt fought anyone. wilder beat 1 top 10 opponent. this is ridiculous babying of the highest order. look at usyks resume and look at wilders. usyk's heavyweight resume is already way better and hes been there for 2 years or so. there are a ton of good american fighters but you shouldnt get a free im american pass.

[Legends456]

[QUOTE=daggum; floyd was a joke. he had all the power in boxing and refused to make the fights while constantly changing his demands. tank davis has been a "champ" for 6 years and hasnt fought anyone. wilder beat 1 top 10 opponent. this is ridiculous babying of the highest order. [/QUOTE]

I think Floyd was pretty great, but I agree that he knew how to play the game. He didn’t take a lot of high risk fights except for the Corrales fight (which he admittedly won in dominant fashion). Judah was on the downslope, Hatton was strong, but way to slow especially with the style of refereeing in Las Vegas, Mosley and Oscar and Pacquiao were washed, and he never unified at WW (or anywhere else if I remember?) I think that I would like him more had he not claimed he’s better than Muhammad Ali, even though Ali took all comers and Floyd only made the fights he knew he could look good in. And to be honest, I think Floyd really believes he’s the best of all time. He seems a bit narcissistic.

And Tank’s career is following the Mayweather model. And awkwardly, Mayweather is always trying to be front and center in any Tank presser or fight. It’s like he has a constant need to be the center of attention.