Comments Thread For: Claressa Shields: We're Raising The Bar and Teaching The Men a Thing or Two

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  • brettWall
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    #21
    I agree. American fighters need to start taking fights outside of the US. And stop making such move a huge deal like Haney and his fans do.

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    • gauze
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      #22
      Originally posted by Cobra Curry
      Say what you like but the top women actually fight one another...
      that's because 80% of the women in each division are ranked in the top 30.
      for example, at middleweight there is only 1 woman in the entire division that's not ranked in the top 20.

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      • _Rexy_
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        #23
        Originally posted by Smash
        how has marshall suddenly come into the conversation with people like shields taylor serrano etc, marshall is a total nobody compared to the likes of them, she is only being hyped for this fight, i have to say they have done a great job with her selling this fight it seems
        She beat Sheilds in the Ams. Natural rivalry.

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        • Cobra Curry
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          #24
          Originally posted by gauze

          that's because 80% of the women in each division are ranked in the top 30.
          for example, at middleweight there is only 1 woman in the entire division that's not ranked in the top 20.
          I've acknowledged that the talent isn't as deep as the men's side of things.
          That said, there's little excuse for situations like Spence/Crawford, Joshua/Wilder, etc, etc, etc....

          The likes of Baumgardner, Marshall and Taylor have enough of a following to fight safe picks but they're not doing that.

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          • gauze
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            #25
            Originally posted by Cobra Curry

            I've acknowledged that the talent isn't as deep as the men's side of things.
            That said, there's little excuse for situations like Spence/Crawford, Joshua/Wilder, etc, etc, etc....

            The likes of Baumgardner, Marshall and Taylor have enough of a following to fight safe picks but they're not doing that.
            i'm glad they aren't going for safe picks, but if they were getting million dollar guarantees every time they fought and the chance of headlining on PPV you may not see the top fighters as willing to fight the other big names. it's obviously the best way to build women's boxing since it's not likely to see a string of vicious mike tyson-esque KOs even with matches. they're fighting for respect and to put their side of the sport on the map, so i appreciate that. i just don't think it would be that way if some of these women were getting some of the guarantees the men get for showcase and tune-up fights. they just aren't really in a position to decline big opportunities

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              #26
              Originally posted by gauze

              i'm glad they aren't going for safe picks, but if they were getting million dollar guarantees every time they fought and the chance of headlining on PPV you may not see the top fighters as willing to fight the other big names. it's obviously the best way to build women's boxing since it's not likely to see a string of vicious mike tyson-esque KOs even with matches. they're fighting for respect and to put their side of the sport on the map, so i appreciate that. i just don't think it would be that way if some of these women were getting some of the guarantees the men get for showcase and tune-up fights. they just aren't really in a position to decline big opportunities
              I'm sure that two of the three ladies I mentioned are getting very substantial guarantees, although I take your point overall.

              That said, those type of guarantees appear to be drying up on the men's side if the Crawford/Spence saga is anything to go by.

              Perhaps it's time to follow the ladies and be more collaborative when it comes to major fights.

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              • Buggy bear
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                #27
                Sooner she gets to Heathrow tomorrow the better , don’t forget its men losing money on this garbage , where are the female entrepreneurs queuing up to lose money ,? I thought so nowhere to be seen . She really is becoming a nuisance

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                • gauze
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                  #28
                  Originally posted by Cobra Curry

                  I'm sure that two of the three ladies I mentioned are getting very substantial guarantees, although I take your point overall.

                  That said, those type of guarantees appear to be drying up on the men's side if the Crawford/Spence saga is anything to go by.

                  Perhaps it's time to follow the ladies and be more collaborative when it comes to major fights.
                  agreed, the huge paydays don't benefit the sport but i can't fault the fighters for trying to get the big money in the easiest way when given the opportunity. i actually do watch a fair amount of women's boxing...this card is the most interesting one for me today as both fights are pick 'em type fights with high stakes. i would not mind a seniesa estrada vs gabriela fundora fight somewhere down the road if fundora is going to stick around at flyweight

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                  • Buggy bear
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                    #29
                    Originally posted by Cobra Curry
                    Say what you like but the top women actually fight one another...
                    that’s because they have as the pool is so shallow and they are either half decent or very poor so the half decent have no choice

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                      #30
                      Wow Alicia Baumgardner vs Mayer/Espn hahahahaha damn porch j.....

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