Comments Thread For: Andre Ward: Golovkin 'Literally Just Showed Up To Get A Check' Against Canelo

[harry-greb]

classic case of hot garbage.


He became unified after beating Joe Smith Jr, Bivol's actual leftovers. Bivol beat a younger, fresher version of Joe Smith.

Gvozdyk beat a 45 yo Stevenson. Stevenson duckd Kovalev for years. Kovalev wasn't lineal, but everyone knew he was the best. Gvozdyk's legacy goes down as a Euro bum. no HOF.

Canelo never lost his titles at 175 after he KOed Kovalev, which is a better win than Gvozdyk's win over 45 yo stevenson.


Titles mean nothing. Names speak more.




Bivol already beat Joe Smith Jr and Canelo >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a bunch of bums

Alphabet belts mean nothing.
Lineal and true titles mean everything.
Kovalev was arguably the best light heavy, but I wouldn't have bet the farm on Stevenson not clipping him

[Bronx2245]

you argue like a female. were you raised by a single mom?

The duck is the man who WALKS AWAY from 50/50 negotiation

facts only



Andre Ward said NO FIGHT at HBO hq. DUCK #1

Andre Ward said NO to meet in the middle 164 lbs. DUCK #2

Andre Ward said NO to meet at 168 lbs. DUCK #3

Roc Nation: GGG's Team Turned Down Ward in 36 Minutes
BY RICK REENO
Published Fri Oct 09, 2015, 07:59 AM EDT
By Rick Reeno

Over the past few weeks, a lot has been said and a lot has been written with respect to a potential fight between WBA/IBO middleweight champion Gennady "GGG" Golovkin (33-0, 30KOs) and WBA super middleweight king Andre Ward (28-0, 15KOs).

As the finishing touches were being made to Golovkin's October 17th unification with IBF champion David Lemieux - Ward's promoter, Roc Nation Sports Chief Operating Officer David Itskowitch, emailed an official offer to Golovkin's promoter, Tom Loeffler of K2 Promotions.

According to Loeffler , the offer was rejected because K2 had already finalized Golovkin's upcoming HBO Pay-Per-View fight with Lemieux - and the winner would become the mandatory challenger to the November 21st showdown between WBC champion Miguel Cotto and Mexican superstar Saul "Canelo" Alvarez.

Loeffler indicates that their strategy, since last year, has been to unify the middleweight division.

However, during that period they did explore potential fights at super middleweight with both Carl Froch and Julio Cesar Chavez Jr.

When it came it Ward, Loeffler and Golovkin's trainer Abel Sanchez made it very clear that a catch-weight of 164-pounds would be required. They also feel their boxer deserves a bigger portion of the monetary split. Roc Nation's offer was an even 50-50 deal.

Golovkin came under fire for his catch-weight demand. Loeffler explained that Golovkin fighting at the full weight limit of 168 would only be considered if the event was financially worth the risk. They felt a fight with Ward would not have generated the same financial benefits as a fight with Froch or Chavez.

“We’ve always said when we first got to HBO that we wanted to unify the titles. We said we’d move up to 168 for mega events. Fights with Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. and Carl Froch would have been big events and that’s why we were willing to move up and we were willing to go down for a Floyd Mayweather fight before but we always said we wanted unification fights,” Loeffler told BoxingScene.com.

Michael Yormark, president and chief of branding and strategy for parent company Roc Nation, disputes some of the information being circulated in the press.

The Roc Nation executive reached out to BoxingScene.com to respond, on behalf of his company and their fighter, to some of the published statements from Golovkin's team members.

According to Yormark, Roc Nation was never afforded the opportunity to discuss weight, the financial terms, potential dates, which fighter was the A-side or any other factor - because their offer was turned down in 36 minutes.

"I respect Tom and he's a nice man, but as it relates to this issue - he's way off-base," Yormark told BoxingScene.com. "The chatter that you've been hearing from Triple G's camp is inappropriate, inaccurate and we need to clear this up immediately."

"Andre Ward has always fought the best opponents that were available, and that holds true today as well. We want to fight the best and we obviously consider Triple G a formidable opponent. We made an offer to fight Triple G. It was the number one priority on Andre's list."

"We made him an offer, prior quite frankly, to knowing about the fight with Lemieux. But regardless of that fight, the offer was very, very clear - that he and Andre would both have one fight before they fought each other, and they would fight each other sometime in the first half of 2016. So obviously the fight with Lemieux would continue to move forward and the next fight would be Andre in 2016.

"They received the offer and in 36 minutes we got a response which basically stated 'we cannot accept the offer and we're going in a different direction.' In 36 minutes [they turned it down], so that tells me there was not even any consideration given to the offer, because at the end of the day Triple G always knew that he would never fight Andre Ward. He's stated publically, and in writing, that he would go up to 168 to fight anybody but Andre. We put an official offer on the table and we got a 'no' in 36 minutes.

"I think you can assume that a fight between Triple G and Andre Ward is a fight that people would love to see. It would be great for HBO. I think, for the most part, everyone was on board - with the exception of Triple G and his camp. How do you respond in 36 minutes with a 'no' - unless you had no intention of fighting Andre Ward.

"The only way you respond in 36 minutes is if you had no intention of ever fighting this guy. That's what 36 minutes tells you. Because if they did had a desire to fight Andre, and get in there with one of the best fighters in the world, they would have responded with 'thank you for your offer, we're going to discuss this with our fighter and get back to you.' That's typically how it's done. You don't respond in 36 minutes."

"The split would have been a secondary issue behind making the fight and having a desire in making the fight. If they had responded to the email and said 'listen, let's sit down, let's negotiate and let's see if we can come to terms' - then that's a different story. We didn't have the opportunity to talk a split, we didn't have the opportunity to talk about who was the B or the A-side. We didn't have the opportunity talk about any details. To come out and say who would be the A-side and talk about splits, the reality was - they said 'no' in 36 minutes."

"Right now, Andre Ward is the best pound-for-pound fighter in the world and they don't want nothing to do with him. I don't care what weight it is, I don't care what city it is, I don't care what country they fight in - they don't want nothing to do with the best pound-for-pound fighter in the world. That's not on their agenda. They can continue to fight journeymen and protect his record and try to continue to build this invincibility aura that he currently has. The fight with Andre Ward would have bee the fight to prove to people if he's as good as people think."

Based on the circumstances, Ward and Roc Nation have moved on. Yormark was unable to confirm the details, but according to multiple sources in the industry - Ward is going to move up to light heavyweight, commit to a multi-fight deal with HBO, and eventually face light heavyweight champion Sergey Kovalev in a high profile showdown in 2016. Ward's return is slated for the Cotto-Alvarez HBO Pay-Per-View undercard.

An official announcement regarding Ward's future is coming soon, says Yormark.

"Triple G has fought journeymen for his entire career. It's obvious. We all know that. Andre Ward has fought the best of the best. Triple was at the top of his list. He was denied the opportunity to fight him in 36 minutes, so we've moved on. We'll be announcing our plans in the very near future, as to what Andre will be doing for the remainder of 2015 and in 2016. But we are moving on because we want to move forward and fight the best," Yormark said.

https://www.boxingscene.com/roc-nati...minutes--96761

[Jab jab boom]

Hey im not the one that gets emotional about another man

That’s literally exactly what you did when you brought your sensitive self to my comment. I didn’t initiate convo with you. You were so emotional about what I wrote that you came running to defend men that you have feelings for but don’t even know. Weirdo.

[HeadShots]

Roc Nation: GGG's Team Turned Down Ward in 36 Minutes
BY RICK REENO
Published Fri Oct 09, 2015, 07:59 AM EDT
By Rick Reeno

Over the past few weeks, a lot has been said and a lot has been written with respect to a potential fight between WBA/IBO middleweight champion Gennady "GGG" Golovkin (33-0, 30KOs) and WBA super middleweight king Andre Ward (28-0, 15KOs).

As the finishing touches were being made to Golovkin's October 17th unification with IBF champion David Lemieux - Ward's promoter, Roc Nation Sports Chief Operating Officer David Itskowitch, emailed an official offer to Golovkin's promoter, Tom Loeffler of K2 Promotions.

According to Loeffler , the offer was rejected because K2 had already finalized Golovkin's upcoming HBO Pay-Per-View fight with Lemieux - and the winner would become the mandatory challenger to the November 21st showdown between WBC champion Miguel Cotto and Mexican superstar Saul "Canelo" Alvarez.

Loeffler indicates that their strategy, since last year, has been to unify the middleweight division.

However, during that period they did explore potential fights at super middleweight with both Carl Froch and Julio Cesar Chavez Jr.

When it came it Ward, Loeffler and Golovkin's trainer Abel Sanchez made it very clear that a catch-weight of 164-pounds would be required. They also feel their boxer deserves a bigger portion of the monetary split. Roc Nation's offer was an even 50-50 deal.

Golovkin came under fire for his catch-weight demand. Loeffler explained that Golovkin fighting at the full weight limit of 168 would only be considered if the event was financially worth the risk. They felt a fight with Ward would not have generated the same financial benefits as a fight with Froch or Chavez.

“We’ve always said when we first got to HBO that we wanted to unify the titles. We said we’d move up to 168 for mega events. Fights with Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. and Carl Froch would have been big events and that’s why we were willing to move up and we were willing to go down for a Floyd Mayweather fight before but we always said we wanted unification fights,” Loeffler told BoxingScene.com.

Michael Yormark, president and chief of branding and strategy for parent company Roc Nation, disputes some of the information being circulated in the press.

The Roc Nation executive reached out to BoxingScene.com to respond, on behalf of his company and their fighter, to some of the published statements from Golovkin's team members.

According to Yormark, Roc Nation was never afforded the opportunity to discuss weight, the financial terms, potential dates, which fighter was the A-side or any other factor - because their offer was turned down in 36 minutes.

"I respect Tom and he's a nice man, but as it relates to this issue - he's way off-base," Yormark told BoxingScene.com. "The chatter that you've been hearing from Triple G's camp is inappropriate, inaccurate and we need to clear this up immediately."

"Andre Ward has always fought the best opponents that were available, and that holds true today as well. We want to fight the best and we obviously consider Triple G a formidable opponent. We made an offer to fight Triple G. It was the number one priority on Andre's list."

"We made him an offer, prior quite frankly, to knowing about the fight with Lemieux. But regardless of that fight, the offer was very, very clear - that he and Andre would both have one fight before they fought each other, and they would fight each other sometime in the first half of 2016. So obviously the fight with Lemieux would continue to move forward and the next fight would be Andre in 2016.

"They received the offer and in 36 minutes we got a response which basically stated 'we cannot accept the offer and we're going in a different direction.' In 36 minutes [they turned it down], so that tells me there was not even any consideration given to the offer, because at the end of the day Triple G always knew that he would never fight Andre Ward. He's stated publically, and in writing, that he would go up to 168 to fight anybody but Andre. We put an official offer on the table and we got a 'no' in 36 minutes.

"I think you can assume that a fight between Triple G and Andre Ward is a fight that people would love to see. It would be great for HBO. I think, for the most part, everyone was on board - with the exception of Triple G and his camp. How do you respond in 36 minutes with a 'no' - unless you had no intention of fighting Andre Ward.

"The only way you respond in 36 minutes is if you had no intention of ever fighting this guy. That's what 36 minutes tells you. Because if they did had a desire to fight Andre, and get in there with one of the best fighters in the world, they would have responded with 'thank you for your offer, we're going to discuss this with our fighter and get back to you.' That's typically how it's done. You don't respond in 36 minutes."

"The split would have been a secondary issue behind making the fight and having a desire in making the fight. If they had responded to the email and said 'listen, let's sit down, let's negotiate and let's see if we can come to terms' - then that's a different story. We didn't have the opportunity to talk a split, we didn't have the opportunity to talk about who was the B or the A-side. We didn't have the opportunity talk about any details. To come out and say who would be the A-side and talk about splits, the reality was - they said 'no' in 36 minutes."

"Right now, Andre Ward is the best pound-for-pound fighter in the world and they don't want nothing to do with him. I don't care what weight it is, I don't care what city it is, I don't care what country they fight in - they don't want nothing to do with the best pound-for-pound fighter in the world. That's not on their agenda. They can continue to fight journeymen and protect his record and try to continue to build this invincibility aura that he currently has. The fight with Andre Ward would have bee the fight to prove to people if he's as good as people think."

Based on the circumstances, Ward and Roc Nation have moved on. Yormark was unable to confirm the details, but according to multiple sources in the industry - Ward is going to move up to light heavyweight, commit to a multi-fight deal with HBO, and eventually face light heavyweight champion Sergey Kovalev in a high profile showdown in 2016. Ward's return is slated for the Cotto-Alvarez HBO Pay-Per-View undercard.

An official announcement regarding Ward's future is coming soon, says Yormark.

"Triple G has fought journeymen for his entire career. It's obvious. We all know that. Andre Ward has fought the best of the best. Triple was at the top of his list. He was denied the opportunity to fight him in 36 minutes, so we've moved on. We'll be announcing our plans in the very near future, as to what Andre will be doing for the remainder of 2015 and in 2016. But we are moving on because we want to move forward and fight the best," Yormark said.

https://www.boxingscene.com/roc-nati...minutes--96761

Ward turned down GGG 3 X.




Ward is a duck X 3

[HeadShots]

Alphabet belts mean nothing.
Lineal and true titles mean everything.
Kovalev was arguably the best light heavy, but I wouldn't have bet the farm on Stevenson not clipping him

lol you just contradicted yourself.

Lineal doesn't mean everything which is why Kovalev > Stevenson. Better wins, better legacy, period.

As a matter of fact Beterbiev's WBO should still be Canelo's after he KOed Kovalev. Bivol is the rightful lineal title holder of that belt atm.

speaking of Lineal. So they both have 2 divisional titles.



Canelo being the best win by a margin on either fighter's resume.


Bivol >>> Beterbiev

[bullydean]

That’s literally exactly what you did when you brought your sensitive self to my comment. I didn’t initiate convo with you. You were so emotional about what I wrote that you came running to defend men that you have feelings for but don’t even know. Weirdo.

I stated facts. There was nothing emotional about my response.

You on the other hand released your pent up anger caused by sexual denial.

It's okay for you to be gay.

[ShoulderRoll]

Its a moot question when you use the eye test and you judge his performance against Canelo in the first 2 fights. Golovkin is a unique fighter who combines balance, positioning, subtle defence and power to psychologically and physically hurt his opponents. Comparing wins and resumes are nit picking tactics used by fanboys - almost like top trumps. Its pretty pathetic really.

The eye doesn't lie - real ones always have a certain aura about them and Golovkin has it. Canelo doesn't... He gets flustered, angry, tired and mentally concedes when he can't compete.

Canelo's resume will go down in history as being far superior to Golovkin's.

There's not even an argument to be had there.

[Bronx2245]

Ward turned down GGG 3 X.




Ward is a duck X 3

Great article! Read it and weep! GGG was "businessman!" His own manager said so! They would move up for Froch (who Ward beat) or JCC Jr., but Ward only at 164! My job is done here!

[Jab jab boom]

I stated facts. There was nothing emotional about my response.

You on the other hand released your pent up anger caused by sexual denial.

It's okay for you to be gay.

you didn’t state facts. You got emotional that I said the weak minded Brits quit against Canelo, you came to their defense to defend the quitting and to use Canelo’s bicep punch approach as to why canelo considered him such a threat when I reality he wasn’t a threat. I see what you’re doing though, you’re trying to deny your emotional responses by deflecting and trying to say my simple comment was emotional. Same way you’re deflecting your gay obsession with canelo onto me. You also call yourself bully online because in real life you’re a pu$$y. Just accept your reality. You’re not fooling anyone. Nobody with that b***h name Dean has ever been tough.

[Elastic Recoilz]

Canelo's resume will go down in history as being far superior to Golovkin's.

There's not even an argument to be had there.

What does that even equate to though? The first time they fought GGG won (most important), the 2nd fight Canelo had clearly used PEDS but still couldn't beat him (should've been a draw) and the third fight was irrelevant. So all this talk of who's resume is better etc is not important because when they actually fought it was 1-1-1 (even though Golovkin was 35, 36 and 40 years old respectively.

On a resume does it state the age of fighters? Does it state that Canelo beat 40 year old versions of Mosley, Baldomir and Golovkin? Does it state that Kovalev was a disinterested, 36 year old alcoholic? All you see are wins, which when you dig a bit further means nothing cosidering the collosal advantages Canelo had in his favour. Real boxings fans can see this, fan boys can't...