Comments Thread For: Wilder's Coach Does Not Rule Out Joshua Shocking Fury, Explains Why

[TheOneAboveAll]

Tyson Fury tried to bring back his old riddler style vs Wilder, and it was no longer as potent. This is evident by how he was decked twice in the first fight.

Tyson Fury has been unable duplicate his former condition. Since he left Peter Fury's camp.

In order for Fury's old Riddler style to be 100% potent, I honestly think he needs to train under the tutorship of Peter Fury.

Fury when he first made his comeback, attempted to duplicate his former style and condition. But It became clear after the Otto Wallin fight, that his former riddler style was no longer as potent. Tyson Fury in that fight weighed in at 254 pounds, but he was still found inside the ring and busted up real good by Wallin.

Lesser fighters technically than Wladimir Kiltschko, were now decking him and busting him up real good.

The Peter Fury partnership is not really looking like it is going to happen. Tyson Fury has adapted his style and changed his training techniques.

He is now consistently weighing in at high 260 to 270 + pounds. All the attributes which made his old riddler style awkward and bamboozling have all decreased 'But his offense, and brute strength have increased'.

Anthony Joshua stylistically is fighting Tyson Fury at the right time, well the best time for him to increase his chances of winning. If he is going to beat Tyson Fury, it will be this Kronk version of Fury.

But even still, this Tyson Fury is a big favorite. And he has shown that he can bring back Shades of the riddler.

Fury did this vs Whyte. But Whyte can hardly move inside the ring. Currently right now, it is not clear whether Fury has better overall movement than Joshua.

Joshua has some half decent dance moves inside the ring, he did show this vs Usyk. It is a myth that he is a static fighter.

I am not saying his movement is greater than Furys, but it is not clear how much better Fury's movement is than Joshua's.

Wilder and Wallin had no problem finding Fury inside the ring.

Yeah, fair points. You might be right.

[OldTerry]

This narrative will change fast if he gets knocked out his next fight ,it’s a fight he should win though but it’s a reminder he hasn’t fought top punchers ,you can say Helenius may be the hardest puncher he’s fought so far ?

You have a point. When watching Wilder fight, the outcome is never certain until at some point he lands a few bombs.

[juggernaut666]

You have a point. When watching Wilder fight, the outcome is never certain until at some point he lands a few bombs.

I’m actually going to root for Wilder only cause I want to see if he ducks Usyk . Let’s face it it’s a duck if he declines an opportunity of being a unified champion and he will be challenged that night if Usyk is there . It show he must be terrified of any other belt outside the WBC one because we’ve been here before .

[OldTerry]

I’m actually going to root for Wilder only cause I want to see if he ducks Usyk . Let’s face it it’s a duck if he declines an opportunity of being a unified champion and he will be challenged that night if Usyk is there . It show he must be terrified of any other belt outside the WBC one because we’ve been here before .

I will agree with you. If Wilder fights Usyk though, I'll be pulling for him and hoping he lands the bombs that will win him the fight. Either Usyk boxes the ears off Wilder or gets knocked out, I don't believe it can go any other ways.

[juggernaut666]

I will agree with you. If Wilder fights Usyk though, I'll be pulling for him and hoping he lands the bombs that will win him the fight. Either Usyk boxes the ears off Wilder or gets knocked out, I don't believe it can go any other ways.

Cant say I will pull for Wilder over Usyk he’s done very little to earn that with me and he could potentially hold the belt hostage over at the PBC for years again, no thanks .

But if he were to win the fight I’d like to see is Wilder vs a Joyce type who I expect to win on Saturday and it’s possible because both converse at the same training facility on the west coast . Joyce has the mandatory spot for Usyk so a Wilder fight is a slim chance unless Wilder sticks around or defeats Usyk which is also a big if even though he says he has years left I don’t he’s mentally prepared to take another loss which can also happen if he fights top guys , not a Helenius who is terrible at defense .

[OldTerry]

Cant say I will pull for Wilder over Usyk he’s done very little to earn that with me and he could potentially hold the belt hostage over at the PBC for years again, no thanks .

But if he were to win the fight I’d like to see is Wilder vs a Joyce type who I expect to win on Saturday and it’s possible because both converse at the same training facility on the west coast . Joyce has the mandatory spot for Usyk so a Wilder fight is a slim chance unless Wilder sticks around or defeats Usyk which is also a big if even though he says he has years left I don’t he’s mentally prepared to take another loss which can also happen if he fights top guys , not a Helenius who is terrible at defense .

I agree with some of your comment. I like Joyces chances against anyone and believe he beats Jushua and Wilder, but not Fury or Usyk. I also agree that Wilder is wrong in believing he can compete with top heavyweights for ten more years. I disagree with your assessment of Wilder's current chances against today's top heavyweights. I believe he knocks out Joshua in less than ten rounds and has a great slugger's chance against Usyk. A fight with Joyce would be exciting to watch, but I believe Joyce has the firepower to takeout Wilder before Wilder takes him out. Wilder isn't a great boxer, but he is better than most give him credit for. Fury is a very good boxer, yet Wilder tagged him and hurt him with punches that few others could have taken.

[juggernaut666]

I agree with some of your comment. I like Joyces chances against anyone and believe he beats Jushua and Wilder, but not Fury or Usyk. I also agree that Wilder is wrong in believing he can compete with top heavyweights for ten more years. I disagree with your assessment of Wilder's current chances against today's top heavyweights. I believe he knocks out Joshua in less than ten rounds and has a great slugger's chance against Usyk. A fight with Joyce would be exciting to watch, but I believe Joyce has the firepower to takeout Wilder before Wilder takes him out. Wilder isn't a great boxer, but he is better than most give him credit for. Fury is a very good boxer, yet Wilder tagged him and hurt him with punches that few others could have taken.

Well here’s what we have we have Wilder vs Helenius and Fury vs anyone outside the top 20 coming up so ? Joshua and Usyk went 24 rounds with each other while the rest clout chased them . Wilder like any fighter after two knockout losses ,long lay off etc etc…is not favored over the top boxer punchers ,I can say this because it’s not happened in any history here unless I forgot one fight which is possible watching since the early 80”s and some 70”s ?

Fury is also a very overatted boxer ,don’t tell me how bc I can do an entire thread on it giving his fan girls a heart attack because I know a good majority will read it that you don’t think comes on here. And it would be passé along .

[OldTerry]

Well here’s what we have we have Wilder vs Helenius and Fury vs anyone outside the top 20 coming up so ? Joshua and Usyk went 24 rounds with each other while the rest clout chased them . Wilder like any fighter after two knockout losses ,long lay off etc etc…is not favored over the top boxer punchers ,I can say this because it’s not happened in any history here unless I forgot one fight which is possible watching since the early 80”s and some 70”s ?

Fury is also a very overatted boxer ,don’t tell me how bc I can do an entire thread on it giving his fan girls a heart attack because I know a good majority will read it that you don’t think comes on here. And it would be passé along .

We seem to be on the same page with a few minor differences. Fury is a "very good boxer", but not world class. Fury doesn't have to be a world class boxer to defeat Joshua, as recent Joshua fights have shown. You could be right about Wilder being damaged goods, if he proves to so then he is done.

[juggernaut666]

We seem to be on the same page with a few minor differences. Fury is a "very good boxer", but not world class. Fury doesn't have to be a world class boxer to defeat Joshua, as recent Joshua fights have shown. You could be right about Wilder being damaged goods, if he proves to so then he is done.

I really don’t see Wilder losing to Helenius and if he did I’d say Helenius showed up , Wilder is then introduced to a true meaning of fighters get knocked out by punchers at times . Wilders mentality however probably folds him ,not sure he knows to tell everyone he lost fairly and that’s a real problem with a fighter .

[tritium_arma]

It’s absolutely hysterical how Malik speaks facts about Joshua while Wilder continuously tries to diminish him and those two work daily together . It really shows just how hard it is to train someone like Wilder ,even in his recent videos it’s painfully obvious how much Malik is struggling to teach him basic stuff as though Wilder just walked in a gym off the street and that’s where Wilders downfall began years ago with his block head mentality as a know it all or I don’t care to know much attitude .

Malik talks sense. Even gave Fury his props after the third fight. It's hard to train someone like Wilder but it pays more than Malik's OnlyFans so he'll continue to do it.