So is Golovkin undefeated or not?

[BKM-]

I find it hard to score the second Canelo fight for him in any type of scoring style. He clearly lost that one imo.

[Chollo Vista]

I think an honest person would have to watch the fight and see how he looks and go from there. If he looks good and Canelo legit wins then it is another impressive win for Canelo at 168. Definitely done his best work at that weight imo

Define "looks good"?

Because what if he looks good but Canelo is great and just makes him look average

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

My scorecards
GGG vs Jacobs: 115-112 GGG, 7-5 with a knockdown
GGG vs Canelo: 116-112 GGG, 8-4
GGG vs Canelo II: 115-113 GGG, 7-5
GGG vs Derevyanchenko: 114-113 GGG, 6-6 with a knockdown (without the knockdown it would've been 7-5 the other way)

I scored them exactly the same as you.

[famicommander]

I scored them exactly the same as you.

Glad to see that. I find myself agreeing with your scores far more often than not.

[Fists_of_Fury]

Canelo beat the Mexican style out of him in the 2nd fight. Derevyanchenko beat him but was robbed. Borat the bum slayer is the biggest hype job cherry picker of all time.

[Boxing-1013]

Define "looks good"?

Because what if he looks good but Canelo is great and just makes him look average

That's up to everyone to decide on their own

[Sun_Tzu]

He won the Jacobs fight, it was close but he won. You still owe me a ton of points for that fight.
He won the first Nelo fight
I could see draw in the second Nelo fight or a round win either way.
I thought he lost to Derv.

No excuse really. Golovkin is well past and everyone knows it. Nelo should win this going away.

[ramplamp]

I think he lost to Derevyanchenko, but clearly won the first Canelo fight and I thought narrowly won both the rematch and the Jacobs fight. I don't think his performances slipped because he stepped up the competition, I genuinely think it's age. It's just unfortunate he didn't get the big fights until he was already mid-30s. I think he gets beat pretty clearly tonight, unfortunately.

[Chollo Vista]

That's up to everyone to decide on their own

That's the problem. If G gets blown out its because he's old. If he blows Canelo out he'll go down as the greatest ever to his fans

[Chollo Vista]

He won the Jacobs fight, it was close but he won. You still owe me a ton of points for that fight.
He won the first Nelo fight
I could see draw in the second Nelo fight or a round win either way.
I thought he lost to Derv.

No excuse really. Golovkin is well past and everyone knows it. Nelo should win this going away.

Come on Tzu. If HBO had him winning by 1 point, that means he lost