the myth of 'canelo the power puncher'

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  • Roadblock
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    #11
    Originally posted by AKAcronym

    Sure, he's a solid puncher but it's clear the gloves make a difference or else why the switch. Having less padding in the gloves will certainly hurt more than having pillow gloves. Would you rather get hit with normal gloves or ones where the knuckle makes more contact?
    They will switch for comfort and feel, at if they believe they punch better they use them, its like shoes for runners, and rackets for tennis players, none will make a physical difference, maybe minor if measured, all can make a mental difference.

    As far as normal gloves or knuckles, the gloves will KO easier because its concussive to the brain, the knuckles will damage the face more than the brain.

    As an example look at the punches these guys take and then look at how many boxers wearing gloves left out cold quivering on the floor.

    Last edited by Roadblock; 09-10-2022, 06:08 PM.

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      #12
      He knocked Kovalev dead with 2 shots. Dead. Flatlined



      Yarde couldn’t put him down




      he shattered BjS s face into 4 pieces with a single shot

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      • Cypocryphy
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        #13
        Originally posted by AKAcronym
        Coincidentally enough, his power seem to have increased once he switched to his NBNL gloves. All those years with his Everlast gloves and he didn't do the kind of damage he does now but once he switched, suddenly things changed. Those gloves have hardly any padding in the knuckles and mixed with Canelo stacking his wraps, makes for a "harder" punch.
        I'm one of Canelo's most ardent critics. But this accusation of "stacking his hand wraps" is nonsense. There's nothing wrong with stacking. In fact, in Nevada, it's perfectly legal. The only place I know of where it's not legal is in California. No matter how he's wrapping his hands, he's confined to the same amount of gauze and tape. Two rolls of tape and gauze. That's it. That's all you get.

        I've heard people say that his NBNL gloves are pretty devoid of padding. I wish they weren't so expensive because they'd be nice for decoration. That being said, they are sanctioned for use in Nevada. Maybe even NY. (I'll check right now.) Yup.
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        So they should have the same level of padding as a lot of the other gloves. The only gloves I know of that still use pretty much nothing but horsehair are the Cleto Reyes gloves. Every other glove seems to use a combination of foam and horse hair or just foam. And with that being said, I think there's something else going on beside his gloves.

        Remember when Canelo fought Cotto? He cracked him as hard as he could, several times, and Cotto took it like a champ. Wasn't even wobbled. ... Actually, I'm thinking as I type this, but he fought Kirkland before Cotto, and he demolished Kirkland. (I was thinking that it was after Cotto when he started doping, but that doesn't make too much sense considering his KO history.)

        To be honest, I think Canelo has pretty good power. He can take anyone out. I just always remember that Cotto fight ... what gloves was he wearing when he fought Cotto? I know for the first Golovkin fight he was using Winnings. Was he using Winnings against Cotto? If he was wearing Winnings against, Cotto, that might explain it. Or maybe Cotto just has a superhuman chin.
        Last edited by Cypocryphy; 09-10-2022, 07:04 PM.

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          #14
          Originally posted by Roadblock

          The glove will not make that much difference, the impact a car hits something doesn't change the force because it has a tin bumper or a steel bullbar, the force pushing the impact doesn't change, Canelos power went up in line with weight, long-term training and maturity with the opponent's level being also in the equation.

          Canelo punches hard, and nobody wants to get caught clean because they will know they got hit.
          The glove actually does make a difference, to be honest. Part of the ability to hit hard is the ability to transfer force, for the fist to the target. And part of what determines how much force is transferred is the area of contact. I'll give an example of this phenomenon. I used to do this as a kid, but I would take BBs for a pellet gun and throw them at my cousins and brother when I was a kid. The reason why is because they'd hurt a hell of a lot more than pebbles. The smaller the area of contact, the more force that is transferred to the target. So in terms of gloves, a glove with dense padding that prevents the knuckles from really puncturing will have a wide area of contact. That wide area of contact with case the force to be distributed over that area, taking away some of the power. But when you use gloves where knuckles can go through, the area of contact is much smaller, and this causes a greater amount of force to be transferred to the target. A "puncher's glove" is a glove that allows your knuckles to picture through the padding and into your opponent.
          Last edited by Cypocryphy; 09-10-2022, 07:14 PM.

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            #15
            Originally posted by Cypocryphy

            I'm one of Canelo's most ardent critics. But this accusation of "stacking his hand wraps" is nonsense. There's nothing wrong with stacking. In fact, in Nevada, it's perfectly legal. The only place I know of where it's not legal is in California. No matter how he's wrapping his hands, he's confined to the same amount of gauze and tape. Two rolls of tape and gauze. That's it. That's all you get.

            I've heard people say that his NBNL gloves are pretty devoid of padding. I wish they weren't so expensive because they'd be nice for decoration. That being said, they are sanctioned for use in Nevada. Maybe even NY. (I'll check right now.) Yup.
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            So they should have the same level of padding as a lot of the other gloves. The only gloves I know of that still use pretty much nothing but horsehair are the Cleto Reyes gloves. Every other glove seems to use a combination of foam and horse hair or just foam. And with that being said, I think there's something else going on beside his gloves.

            Remember when Canelo fought Cotto? He cracked him as hard as he could, several times, and Cotto took it like a champ. Wasn't even wobbled. ... Actually, I'm thinking as I type this, but he fought Kirkland before Cotto, and he demolished Kirkland. (I was thinking that it was after Cotto when he started doping, but that doesn't make too much sense considering his KO history.)

            To be honest, I think Canelo has pretty good power. He can take anyone out. I just always remember that Cotto fight ... what gloves was he wearing when he fought Cotto? I know for the first Golovkin fight he was using Winnings. Was he using Winnings against Cotto? If he was wearing Winnings against, Cotto, that might explain it. Or maybe Cotto just has a superhuman chin.
            Canelo wore Everlast from Angulo until Golovkin 1. They had even special series for him.

            Cotto fight is useless here because he boxed not brawled. He respected Cotto.

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              #16
              Canelo is a very good puncher. Not as hard as Golovkin P4P, but hard. Look, Pacquaio is considered a puncher, and he went about 100 fights without a KO at one point. At world-level, guys don't just hit the floor. They are hard to hit clean, and most top guys can take a shot. It's hard to be world-level without at least an 8/10 chin. Cash in.

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                #17
                Originally posted by Roadblock

                They will switch for comfort and feel, at if they believe they punch better they use them, its like shoes for runners, and rackets for tennis players, none will make a physical difference, maybe minor if measured, all can make a mental difference.

                As far as normal gloves or knuckles, the gloves will KO easier because its concussive to the brain, the knuckles will damage the face more than the brain.

                As an example look at the punches these guys take and then look at how many boxers wearing gloves left out cold quivering on the floor.

                WTF is this? They allow head butting? Crazy. They've turned street fighting into a sport. lol Anyway, boxers typically hit a lot harder than guys competing in other combat sports. It's well documented. Probably because (1) the gloves have some weight to them, making them similar to sap gloves, and (2) you are willing to punch a lot harder with protection on. Gloves are designed to protect your hands.

                Most people choose gloves on comfort because it's super important. The last thing you want is a glove that's too tight because it will cut off the circulation in your hand. You definitely don't want a glove that does that.

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by Silence

                  Canelo wore Everlast from Angulo until Golovkin 1. They had even special series for him.

                  Cotto fight is useless here because he boxed not brawled. He respected Cotto.
                  I don't know man. He hit him as hard as he could and cleanly, yet Cotto—although shocked—took it like it was nothing.

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                  • AKAcronym
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                    #19
                    Originally posted by Cypocryphy

                    I'm one of Canelo's most ardent critics. But this accusation of "stacking his hand wraps" is nonsense. There's nothing wrong with stacking. In fact, in Nevada, it's perfectly legal. The only place I know of where it's not legal is in California. No matter how he's wrapping his hands, he's confined to the same amount of gauze and tape. Two rolls of tape and gauze. That's it. That's all you get.

                    I've heard people say that his NBNL gloves are pretty devoid of padding. I wish they weren't so expensive because they'd be nice for decoration. That being said, they are sanctioned for use in Nevada. Maybe even NY. (I'll check right now.) Yup.
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                    So they should have the same level of padding as a lot of the other gloves. The only gloves I know of that still use pretty much nothing but horsehair are the Cleto Reyes gloves. Every other glove seems to use a combination of foam and horse hair or just foam. And with that being said, I think there's something else going on beside his gloves.

                    Remember when Canelo fought Cotto? He cracked him as hard as he could, several times, and Cotto took it like a champ. Wasn't even wobbled. ... Actually, I'm thinking as I type this, but he fought Kirkland before Cotto, and he demolished Kirkland. (I was thinking that it was after Cotto when he started doping, but that doesn't make too much sense considering his KO history.)

                    To be honest, I think Canelo has pretty good power. He can take anyone out. I just always remember that Cotto fight ... what gloves was he wearing when he fought Cotto? I know for the first Golovkin fight he was using Winnings. Was he using Winnings against Cotto? If he was wearing Winnings against, Cotto, that might explain it. Or maybe Cotto just has a superhuman chin.
                    It's not an accusation as he does stack because they are legal in Nevada and Texas, so that coupled with NBNL's lack of padding definitely makes a difference in how hard his punches land. And he was wearing Everlast against Cotto.

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                      #20
                      Originally posted by Madison boxing
                      this myth still going? what half decent opponent has he ever ko'd? in fact what half decent opponent has he ever beaten clearly lol
                      where did the myth of GGG the power puncher come from?

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