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  • #11
    Originally posted by Toffee View Post

    If there's no-one in the team who can say no and he listens to them... Then that's a problem.

    Wilder clearly had that issue. Surround yourself with yes men and no-one will ever pull you into line.
    I don't know if that's the case in Joshua's camp. If it is, then yeah that's a problem.

    With this particular incident though it all happened quite quickly in the heat of the moment. When he took the mic nobody knew how long he was gonna hold onto it or what he was gonna say. I'd put it down as just one of those things.

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    • #12
      Yes, but would have been tough to calm him then.

      Emotional, toughest sport in the world, a huge fight, a colossal rematch, so it happened.

      I was quite perplexed that Robert Garcia was telling AJ he was up on points after the first few rounds. Usyk was certainly up after the first few rounds, so that was bad corner advice, even if he was being encouraging.

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      • #13
        Originally posted by Toffee View Post

        If there's no-one in the team who can say no and he listens to them... Then that's a problem.

        Wilder clearly had that issue. Surround yourself with yes men and no-one will ever pull you into line.
        Garcia said that AJ would basically complain in the gym if they don’t give him credit for things he’s doing well.

        that tells me he’s obviously just a guy that needs smoke blowing up his arse constantly. So obviously that means he’s going to surround himself with people that do that and not going to step in and tell him he shouldn’t do something.

        Also I guarantee Robert Garcia won’t train him again. Watch those Garcia interviews from fight week, you can see it in his eyes and read between the lines of his words that it wasn’t really working, their mentalities are just too far apart. Obviously he stayed professional and had a job to do.

        AJ will either employ Fernandez as his head coach, or go back to McCracken in the comfort of the Sheffield sports institute where him and his hangers on walk around in flip flops like a holiday camp.

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        • #14
          Sticking the the topic, if he brought up the Ukraine war and labelled it a civil war, a bit off. EDIT, just seen a post that he didn't quite say that.

          Joshua has spent a lot of years in the public eye as a celeb which does things to young people, as they mature.

          There's some slight mental health issues there. His coping mechanisms seemed fine for awhile philosophically, but on reflection not so much.
          Last edited by Kris Silver; 08-21-2022, 06:11 AM.

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          • #15
            Originally posted by Liondw View Post
            Yes, but would have been tough to calm him then.

            Emotional, toughest sport in the world, a huge fight, a colossal rematch, so it happened.

            I was quite perplexed that Robert Garcia was telling AJ he was up on points after the first few rounds. Usyk was certainly up after the first few rounds, so that was bad corner advice, even if he was being encouraging.
            Read my above post. Garcia said AJ was complaining in the gym when they didn’t give credit for things he did good. Garcia quickly figured out you need to treat AJ with kid gloves and baby him. If he was honest and said he’s not doing well, AJ would lose confidence in a heartbeat, Garcia figured that out in the gym through AJ complaining. So there is a fine line between being honest and motivating your fighter, especially when your man isn’t very confident to begin with
            Butt stuff Butt stuff likes this.

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            • #16
              Anthony Joshua's snapped that is clear to see. And he should of been held back by his team.

              I have noticed how people are mocking Joshua, in fact I have noticed how the world is.

              How come people don't mock Tyson Fury like this? Somebody quote me and tell me why Tyson Fury is given a pass?

              Like I have stated on another thread. Anthony Joshua gets held to a higher standard than any other fighter.

              He has been held to a higher standard from the start of his career, and will continue to be held to a higher standard.

              And going even further certain people's are held to higher standards.

              Look at how the media heavily criticize Lewis Hamilton, but other Formula 1 drivers can act like a complete mess.

              People may wonder why I am not just blatantly coming out and saying things bluntly. I don't think I need to.

              I am sitting back and watching how low people's behavior is in this aftermath of last night. I am sure these forums, social media and media in general is exposing people.

              Nobody will care for their antics, but in time they will care.

              Note: I have seen people making threads, stating that Joshua's mask slipped. Again this proves that he is held to a higher standard.






              Last edited by PRINCEKOOL; 08-21-2022, 06:19 AM.

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              • #17
                Hopefully he will apologise for that. He seemed to have issue along the lines of ..his team said he would win, and then during the fight he was winning and they told himself he was winning, then he was angry with everyone and then confronted Usyk demanding to know how he beat him. Throwing the belts was bad .. Up to him really.

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                • #18
                  Originally posted by deathofaclown View Post

                  Garcia said that AJ would basically complain in the gym if they don’t give him credit for things he’s doing well.

                  that tells me he’s obviously just a guy that needs smoke blowing up his arse constantly. So obviously that means he’s going to surround himself with people that do that and not going to step in and tell him he shouldn’t do something.

                  Also I guarantee Robert Garcia won’t train him again. Watch those Garcia interviews from fight week, you can see it in his eyes and read between the lines of his words that it wasn’t really working, their mentalities are just too far apart. Obviously he stayed professional and had a job to do.

                  AJ will either employ Fernandez as his head coach, or go back to McCracken in the comfort of the Sheffield sports institute where him and his hangers on walk around in flip flops like a holiday camp.
                  Maybe. You'd hope that this might make him reevaluate who he has around him. Or at least a mate or a trusted advisor might give him that advice.

                  I said the same thing after Wilder's meltdown. He clearly hadn't been challenged by his team. He instead doubled down and hired his mate who agreed with the conspiracy theories.

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                  • #19
                    Originally posted by PRINCEKOOL View Post
                    Anthony Joshua's snapped that is clear to see. And he should of been held back by his team.

                    I have noticed how people are mocking Joshua, in fact I have noticed how the world is.

                    How come people don't mock Tyson Fury like this? Somebody quote me and tell me why Tyson Fury is given a pass?

                    Like I have stated on another thread. Anthony Joshua gets held to a higher standard than any other fighter.

                    He has been held to a higher standard from the start of his career, and will continue to be held to a higher standard.

                    And going even further certain people's are held to higher standards.

                    Look at how the media heavily criticize Lewis Hamilton, but other Formula 1 drivers can act like a complete mess.

                    People may wonder why I am not just blatantly coming out and saying things bluntly. I don't think I need to.

                    I am sitting back and watching how low people's behavior is in this aftermath of last night. I am sure these forums, social media and media in general is exposing people.

                    Nobody will care for their antics, but in time they will care.

                    Note: I have seen people making threads, stating that Joshua's mask slipped. Again this proves that he is held to a higher standard.





                    There's no doubt he's been held to higher standard. I suspect you're implying a specific reason but I think it's more that he's always been the A Side. He was a British Super Heavyweight Olympic gold medalist. That's a big deal.

                    That status comes with a lot of benefits and he made the most of them. But it also comes with a lot of expectation and pressure. Rough with the smooth.
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                    • #20
                      he looked better than in the 1st fight although thats not saying much. going to copy what someone else said previously because i agree, he spent too long in that olympic training centre with mccracken being told how great he was, sparring youngsters with amateur styles rather than proper sparring sessions against people who were looking to take his head off. he had mccracken making him believe he was some technical boxing god, im not saying he should fight like some pub brawler i dont know what the hell he was thinking stood in centre of ring with usyk trying to outbox him.

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