Comments Thread For: Arum on Spence-Crawford: I Don't Know How It Gets Done Without Somebody Wanting To Subsidize That Fight

[Smash]

Why don't they just forget about guarantees and split the revenue fairly? That way there's no big financial risk for whoever would be on the hook to subsidize the fight and the fighters get paid from what they actually draw, not whatever numbers are pulled out of their asses that they think they deserve.

Sounds more than fair to me

You have to actually prove what you are worth, back yourselves and actually go and really promote the fight too, yeah if that means getting into each others faces a few times etc then so be it, take a leaf out of fury wilder & maybe even have a trilogy & stop making excuses and unreasonable demands, just get it done for what its worth & if it does very well u get paid very well

[Sheldon312]

While I think Spence-Crawford could generate enough money to cover their guarantees, they can’t be compared to Canelo.

Networks are willing to risk a loss for big superstars. That’s not news. It was done for Mayweather more than once.

Mayweather was guaranteed $32mm for Berto, which sold
550k PPV’s, with thousands of tickets going unsold.

But Mayweather got that guarantee by having 6 of the highest selling PPV’s in the top 10. Including taking over the first 4 spots. He also has 5 of the top 10 highest selling gate revenues in boxing, including having the first 2 spots (3 and 4 are Canelo).

Canelo got that guarantee by being the biggest selling active boxer. Canelo has spots 3, 4, and 5 in the top 10 biggest gate revenues of all time. He co-starred in the 3rd best selling PPV of all time and Canelo’s version of a PPV “failure” (300-350k vs Angulo, L. Smith and Lara) is as good as Spence has ever done, and twice as good as Crawford has ever done.

Canelo’s PPV buys versus:

Mayweather - 2.2mm
GGG - 1.3mm
GGG - 1.1mm
Chavez Jr - 1mm
Cotto - 900k
Saunders - 800k
Plant - 800k
Khan - 600k
Angulo - 350k
Lara - 300k
L. Smith - 300k

That’s why Canelo was able to demand a high guarantee for fighting a virtually unknown fighter to Americans in Bivol.

It’s just like a regular person getting a great salary based on their resume. Even if they end up doing a terrible job at it, they didn’t get that salary offer based on how incompetent they were going to be in the job. They got the salary based on how well they have done in the job before. Except you can fire that person for that after giving him a few weeks of fcking up. In boxing, you sign a contract for one night’s worth of work and if you fck up, it doesn’t matter, you still get paid the salary you were guaranteed. All your “employer” had was one night to see you fcked up, and by then it’s too late.

Unlike Canelo; Spence and Crawford don’t have the track record of possibly doing great numbers. Crawford especially, has done awful numbers. In fact the only common opponent any of them have is Amir Khan, and in that one Canelo
outsold Crawford by 10s of millions of dollars. Completely
different revenue reputation there.

That's because promoters promote Mexicans over black fighters

[Combat Talk Radio]

Why don't they just forget about guarantees and split the revenue fairly?

That's on Crawford.

To quote Spence:

I’ll bend but I’m not going to break. I’ll take off my coat but I’m not going to give it to you.

In other words, Crawford is asking for too much.

[SteveM]

the issue is the fans and I warned fans months ago especially Spence and Bud fans who only wanted to support 1 and not the other in fact some Idiots went as far as wanting to Boycott one while only supporting the others and now it is likely a struggle to get people to sponsor it because fans instead of supporting Bud too, they was happy that his PPV's did not do well

so yeah THE FANS F^cked that up on top of both fighters not having personalities to appeal to Mainstream

I have yet to have a casual Co-Worker or Family member ask me about this fight, I get more Text and questions asking me if "Rahman Son Any Good? Will he beat Jake Paul?"

Yeah, over here in the UK, no-one is asking about Spence-Bud - sure casual fans know who they are but they are not anticipating this fight being made - no-one even heard of Ennis. Over here everyone talking about Joshua-Usyk rematch

these fighters need to fight more and also develop a personality if possible

My son - who is NOT into boxing knows who Ryan Garcia is, Canelo, Joshua and Fury - and that is about it !!! Oh and Golovkin but only cos I ****** on about him a few years ago and he fought Canelo

[tritium_arma]

Arum is a scumbag. Now that he isnt part of the fight, he suggests selling it cheap. Yet he doesn’t do that with any of his ppvs with name guys.

The fight will sell well. What it will not do, nor will any fight, generate the top Floyd level ppv sales.

Its a new era. This fight should do between 650-1 mil ppvs based on the quality of the match. These guys dont transcend the sport like Floyd, Tyson, odh or Manny. So expecting 1.5 mil plus is unreasonable and unrealistic imo.

Just make the fight already.

Historically this is a great fight between great fighters but little chance it does that many. Wilder Fury 2 had undefeated heavyweights who can talk and sell a fight, 2 networks pushing it, and Super Bowl ads and only did 800k.
This does Spence Mikey numbers IMO. What was the last hardcore fight between relatively unpopular boxers that did well? Can't remember one.

[Madison Boxing]

they wont fight, both happy with their 0s, been around same division for years and its never happened maybe people with a brain cell would work out that theres a reason for that and it wasnt to 'marinate it'

[QballLobo]

What are you talking about? Crawford is known in Omaha and Spence is well known I'm Dallas( an international city).

So they are known in the cities they live and grew up in?
That doesn’t mean anything.

[ShoulderRoll]

That's because promoters promote Mexicans over black fighters

That's because Mexicans support their fighters.

[4truth]

That's because promoters promote Mexicans over black fighters

Stop it man. The only color promoters care about is green

[Bronx23]

This is the same guy who refused to make DLH-Mayweather because he said Mayweather isn’t a big enough draw to generate the guarantee he was asking for ($20mm). Mayweather left him and went on to break records, even making more than what he asked Arum for. Missing out on supporting the biggest boxing superstar in PPV history.

For a guy who has been around boxing for decades as a promoter for some of the biggest names in boxing, Arum sometimes comes off as someone who knows nothing about big fights.

Bob is cheap. Always has and always will be. He doesn’t like to take financial risks & whenever he takes a loss he never stops crying about it