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  • Roberto Vasquez
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    #31
    Originally posted by Boro

    As for Fury fighting top 10 guys are we talking about Ring/TBRB or sanctioning bodies because both Wallin and Schwarz were ranked in the top 10 in the aforementioned sanctioning bodies (IBF & WBO Respectively).

    And let's be honest no one has better wins then him, two long reigning and defending champions in Wlad and Wilder 9 years 7 months 17 successful defences and 5 years and 9 successful defences respectively.

    For comparisons sake Ruiz beat Joshua (3 years and 6 defences) Joshua beat Parker (15 months 2 defences) and lastly Usyk beat AJ (1 year 9 months and 2 defences)

    Actually believing Fury retired is funny, he's clearly just trying to be like Mayweather and get his shekels up for the upcoming Usyk/AJ fight.
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    Ranking should be the a global world ranking - sanctioning bodies rankings mean nothing. Wallin was maybe 23 at the time and Schwarz was at least 33.. I have a feeling I got that wrong though and that Wallin was 33 and Schwarz was outside the top-50 at the time.

    Trouble with Fury is can you cherry pic a couple of great wins (and one where he ran from the rematch after saying Wlad would never take it) but then what do you have? Some good wins but not many of them. Then you have to ask why? Also why take PEDs?

    The best way to see Fury's resume isn't that great is to look at Chisora's record (a guy from Fury's generation) - you got a ton of top-10 and top-20 fighters there, including 2 fights with Fury. Chisora lost a lot of those - but Fury should have a similar record in terms of guys fought.

    Chisora : You got Usyk, David Price (Fury did dodge him in the pros after he lost in the amateurs), Parker x 2, Pulev x 2, Whyte x 2, Takam, Fury x 2, Haye x 2, Vitali Klitschko, Helenius. And Furys resume should look a *lot* better than Chisora's.

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    • Boro
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      #32
      Originally posted by Roberto Vasquez

      Ranking should be the a global world ranking - sanctioning bodies rankings mean nothing. Wallin was maybe 23 at the time and Schwarz was at least 33.. I have a feeling I got that wrong though and that Wallin was 33 and Schwarz was outside the top-50 at the time.

      Trouble with Fury is can you cherry pic a couple of great wins (and one where he ran from the rematch after saying Wlad would never take it) but then what do you have? Some good wins but not many of them. Then you have to ask why? Also why take PEDs?

      The best way to see Fury's resume isn't that great is to look at Chisora's record (a guy from Fury's generation) - you got a ton of top-10 and top-20 fighters there, including 2 fights with Fury. Chisora lost a lot of those - but Fury should have a similar record in terms of guys fought.

      Chisora : You got Usyk, David Price (Fury did dodge him in the pros after he lost in the amateurs), Parker x 2, Pulev x 2, Whyte x 2, Takam, Fury x 2, Haye x 2, Vitali Klitschko, Helenius. And Furys resume should look a *lot* better than Chisora's.
      How do you think guys get their "global rankings" it's from their rankings in sanctioning bodies and useless baubles like the crappy intercontinental belts,NABO,EBU and British Titles... you really think the likes of Pulev, Takam and such deserved to be in the top 10/World title shots by beating The Rydell bookers and the Bogdan Dinus of the world... GTFOH...

      You mentioned 3 good names on Chisoras record Usyk, Vitali and Fury the rest are absolute puddings Haye is arguably decent at heavyweight but he's a better salesman then a heavyweight boxer and just conned the British public (great cruiserweight mind you, though he could of became undisputed by fighting Cunningham and never did which baffled me because he would've beat him).

      And lest we forget Chisora lost to anyone with a pulse, so whilst they might be "on his resume" they're losses at the end of the day

      E.G. Pulev truth is he's nothing more then a jab and Chisora struggled in both fights whilst fighting extremely dirty like shít the highlights were him clotheslining, lowblowing, elbowing and so on and so forth in his "win" over him FFS.

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        #33
        Why doesn't Tyson just donate all his earnings to charity 'again'?

        Instead he wants to fight for free so ticket touts can make more money?

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          #34
          Fury fans must be inFURYated at the coward.

          All of a sudden he wants to ''fight for free'' and make it as if he's some sloppy version of Robin Hood.

          Winner takes all would be better
          All titles fights should be winner takes all.

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            #35
            Originally posted by Speng

            Right mate, you just keep ignoring him by commenting on an article about some **** he said last week
            Y'all worship these boxers too much. You got all emotional about me saying I am going to ignore Fury and misunderstood my whole comment. Fury doesn't know you exist, these is no need for you to get triggered for him.

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              #36
              I'd be talking crazy too if Usyk screwed me out of 200 million guaranteed.

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              • Madison Boxing
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                #37
                getting pretty boring listening to fury say some new bull**** every day

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                • Roberto Vasquez
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                  #38
                  Originally posted by Boro

                  How do you think guys get their "global rankings" it's from their rankings in sanctioning bodies and useless baubles like the crappy intercontinental belts,NABO,EBU and British Titles... you really think the likes of Pulev, Takam and such deserved to be in the top 10/World title shots by beating The Rydell bookers and the Bogdan Dinus of the world... GTFOH...

                  You mentioned 3 good names on Chisoras record Usyk, Vitali and Fury the rest are absolute puddings Haye is arguably decent at heavyweight but he's a better salesman then a heavyweight boxer and just conned the British public (great cruiserweight mind you, though he could of became undisputed by fighting Cunningham and never did which baffled me because he would've beat him).

                  And lest we forget Chisora lost to anyone with a pulse, so whilst they might be "on his resume" they're losses at the end of the day

                  E.G. Pulev truth is he's nothing more then a jab and Chisora struggled in both fights whilst fighting extremely dirty like shít the highlights were him clotheslining, lowblowing, elbowing and so on and so forth in his "win" over him FFS.
                  When Pulev beat Hughie Fury - the Fury's said he was an excellent fighter. And then Pulev was ranked no. 7 in the world by The Ring magazine just before AJ beat him. And he was probably even higher ranked when Chisora fought him the first time.

                  You are denigrating the very good fighters on Chisora's record while ignoring who is on Fury's - an old Wlad (Fury himself called him old) and Wilder (a very good fighter but still his best win is an old Ortiz, who only ever beat Jennings himself). Fury doesn't even have Pulev, Haye, Povetkin on his record.... Haye is understandable but the other guys are top fighters from his era.

                  Just the fact that Fury is almost retired or according to him definitely retired (because he thought he had brain damage after the Wilder fight, read the interview) - and we are discussing how light his resume is - says it all. He is most likely sitting back and waiting to see who wins between AJ and Usyk and that says it all. He should be fighting the winner for undisputed no matter who wins or how they perform.




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                  • Boro
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                    #39
                    Originally posted by Roberto Vasquez

                    When Pulev beat Hughie Fury - the Fury's said he was an excellent fighter. And then Pulev was ranked no. 7 in the world by The Ring magazine just before AJ beat him. And he was probably even higher ranked when Chisora fought him the first time.

                    You are denigrating the very good fighters on Chisora's record while ignoring who is on Fury's - an old Wlad (Fury himself called him old) and Wilder (a very good fighter but still his best win is an old Ortiz, who only ever beat Jennings himself). Fury doesn't even have Pulev, Haye, Povetkin on his record.... Haye is understandable but the other guys are top fighters from his era.

                    Just the fact that Fury is almost retired or according to him definitely retired (because he thought he had brain damage after the Wilder fight, read the interview) - and we are discussing how light his resume is - says it all. He is most likely sitting back and waiting to see who wins between AJ and Usyk and that says it all. He should be fighting the winner for undisputed no matter who wins or how they perform.



                    Of course Peter Fury is going to say Pulev is a great fighter after his son has been beat by him, he's never going to say he got beat by a bum is he and essentially denigrate his own son?
                    As for "denigrating" the "very good fighters" on Chisora's resume I didn't, I pointed them out the rest are irrelevant.


                    Fury was fighting his way up the WBO rankings Pulev was in them but not in a spot that would position him for a shot at the title at the time and Povetkin only came into the aforementioned rankings after Fury beat Wlad now if he'd stuck about after beating Wlad instead of getting his back dated ban and didn't fight the Povetkins of the worlds then what you've said would hold some water but it doesn't.

                    There was two names between Fury and Chisora and that was Ruiz and Wilder now Wilder got a shot at the WBC 3 months after Fury beat Chisora but and it's a big but Ruiz was ranked higher then Hammer in the WBO for the final eliminator #2,3 respectively and for some reason that fight didn't happen, though Ruiz fought Liakhovich for some useless WBC bauble so maybe he thought he'd get a shot at Stiverne and preferred his chances with him over Wlad which you can't blame him or Wilder for.


                    He's fighting the winner of AJ vs Usyk regardless anyway he's just hiking his skirt to get a better price as I stated previously like Floyd done multiple times...

                    And if we're being honest plenty of heavyweights have very light resumes look at Mike Tyson (ironically) for example his best wins are arguably an old ass Holmes and Spinks yet people ride him like he's some kind of god whilst obviously Spinks and Holmes were/are great they clearly weren't at their peak/optimal weights when fighting Tyson

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                    • Roberto Vasquez
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                      #40
                      Originally posted by Boro

                      Of course Peter Fury is going to say Pulev is a great fighter after his son has been beat by him, he's never going to say he got beat by a bum is he and essentially denigrate his own son?
                      As for "denigrating" the "very good fighters" on Chisora's resume I didn't, I pointed them out the rest are irrelevant.


                      Fury was fighting his way up the WBO rankings Pulev was in them but not in a spot that would position him for a shot at the title at the time and Povetkin only came into the aforementioned rankings after Fury beat Wlad now if he'd stuck about after beating Wlad instead of getting his back dated ban and didn't fight the Povetkins of the worlds then what you've said would hold some water but it doesn't.

                      There was two names between Fury and Chisora and that was Ruiz and Wilder now Wilder got a shot at the WBC 3 months after Fury beat Chisora but and it's a big but Ruiz was ranked higher then Hammer in the WBO for the final eliminator #2,3 respectively and for some reason that fight didn't happen, though Ruiz fought Liakhovich for some useless WBC bauble so maybe he thought he'd get a shot at Stiverne and preferred his chances with him over Wlad which you can't blame him or Wilder for.


                      He's fighting the winner of AJ vs Usyk regardless anyway he's just hiking his skirt to get a better price as I stated previously like Floyd done multiple times...

                      And if we're being honest plenty of heavyweights have very light resumes look at Mike Tyson (ironically) for example his best wins are arguably an old ass Holmes and Spinks yet people ride him like he's some kind of god whilst obviously Spinks and Holmes were/are great they clearly weren't at their peak/optimal weights when fighting Tyson
                      You seem to 1. Ignore anything bad about Fury 2. 100% believe anything good about Fury. That is classic fan behaviour.

                      The truth is he is a very good fighter but one who also cherry picked fights and took very few risks in his career. His amateur record shows what happens when he couldn't cherry pick - ie he lost to David Price and a few other people. But in the pros...um... yes he avoided David Price.

                      At least be honest - true to form Fury is hiding away and hoping AJ wins because he is scared of Usyk. Fury already said Cunningham was his hardest opponent and look at Cunnigham's Heavyweight record (it was terrible). Usyk is a turbocharged Cunnigham.

                      BUT if AJ wins or if Usyk wins and looks terrible maybe we will see Fury come back...
                      Last edited by Roberto Vasquez; 07-26-2022, 05:15 PM.

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