Comments Thread For: WBA, Mendoza Named As Defendants In Charr's Amended Lawsuit Against Don King

[dan-b]

Yes, that's true. But that wasn't a bribery scandal. Roy Jones was the champion and appeared to be leaving the weight class. He ended up not leaving the weight class. There was confusion over whether the title fight held during his period of limbo was for the interim title or for the full title. The WBC lost the lawsuit, so I will assume they were in the wrong, but that's very different from the WBA, IBF and WBO blatantly selling their rankings for cash year after year, something the WBC has never done.




The WBC has always catered to the biggest stars and Don King had the biggest stars. That doesn't mean Don was literally paying cash bribes for specific rankings. It wasn't necessary. He was paying so much in sanctioning fees. There was no need. WBC rankings have never been for sale. The Sulaiman family is rich as **** and has been for many generations. They're not going to waste their time selling the #14 bantamweight ranking for $300 the way the other orgs do.

P.S. I really enjoyed reading you coldly and patiently dismantle that emotional conspiracy theorist. Conspiracists have the same brain types as religious people, i.e. they're given to what psychologists call 'magical thinking'. They attribute everything to unseen hands operating in the shadows, and unfortunately reason, facts and logic rarely work with them as this is something they 'feel'. So even though to an objective observer you clearly were the more convincing during this exchange, the person you're addressing will still think you're wrong because it's unfathomable to them that you don't 'feel' how they do.

I learned this lesson the hard way trying to reason with 9/11 Truthers about a decade a go. The conspiracist will interpret this as a defence of the US government/WBC/[insert nefarious organisation] but it's not. It's about being a rational sceptic rather than a conspiracist.

[WBC WBA IBF]

Interesting username. How did you feel about the WBOgus becoming a recognised title? I was very resistant to it and still feel weird about it now.

As you may be able to tell from my username, I don't recognize the WBO and don't think anyone else should either.

Most people don't realize the WBO was founded specifically to take bribes. The WBO's founder, Pepe Cordero, was in charge of the WBA's bribery operation. The bribes had gotten so bad that Bob Arum publicly admitted he had been bribing the WBA for years and all of the bribes were paid directly to Pepe Cordero.

The WBA had to get rid of Pepe Cordero because of the scandal, so he started the WBO so he could resume taking bribes for rankings.

Why would I recognize an organization that was founded by the confirmed leader of the WBA bribery operation who only started the WBO so he could continue taking bribes for rankings?

[dan-b]

As you may be able to tell from my username, I don't recognize the WBO and don't think anyone else should either.

Most people don't realize the WBO was founded specifically to take bribes. The WBO's founder, Pepe Cordero, was in charge of the WBA's bribery operation. The bribes had gotten so bad that Bob Arum publicly admitted he had been bribing the WBA for years and all of the bribes were paid directly to Pepe Cordero.

The WBA had to get rid of Pepe Cordero because of the scandal, so he started the WBO so he could resume taking bribes for rankings.

Why would I recognize an organization that was founded by the confirmed leader of the WBA bribery operation who only started the WBO so he could continue taking bribes for rankings?

I agree with all of that. It also retrospectively gives WBO belt holders a status they don't deserve. The Big Three have of course had their fair share of poor title holders, but they weren't founded on poor title holders the way the WBO was. Now, with the advent of the so-called "four belt era", we have people questioning whether Lennox Lewis was actually an undisputed champion and people wondering if Tommy Morrison, Herbie Hide, etc. were heavyweight champions.

[Sid-Knee]

The contract specifically stipulated that Sky would have the UK rights as long as the split and retail price were acceptable to Wilder and that his acceptance wouldn't be unreasonably withheld.




No, Eddie made a fool out of you. Espinoza exposed Eddie as a liar.




I already posted numerous credible sources that confirmed the guarantees were $14 million and $10.25 million. You're lying.




He had a contract to fight an eliminator (not a mandatory) on that date. That is why he was allowed to face the highest rated available contender.

Finkle went to BT Sport first. That's a fact. I don't care what Finkle did after the fact when people started to get on to his con.

You should look at your links again. The guarantees confirm my numbers, not yours. Try again.

Now that you admit Breazeal didn't have a contract to fight for mandatory on that date, maybe you'll admit Molina getting the fight with only two weeks to go before fight night was clearly to keep Whyte out of the way.

[Sid-Knee]

Sid-Knee still in here taking L's.

Like McKinson did last week.

You shouldn't let your fantasies and wants get in the way of facts and logic. You should know that by now. I'm not the one taking losses here.

[WBC WBA IBF]

Finkle went to BT Sport first. That's a fact.

Yes, before Joshua asked for $50 million and before Showtime agreed to put up the $50 million, Finkel tried to get a sense for the value of the fight in the UK by talking to BT and Sky. So?

Now that you admit Breazeal didn't have a contract to fight for mandatory on that date, maybe you'll admit Molina getting the fight with only two weeks to go before fight night was clearly to keep Whyte out of the way.

You don't seem to know what words mean. Breazeale had a contract for an ELIMINATOR on that date. Nobody ever said he had a mandatory title shot for that date. Stiverne got mandatory shot that night.

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Yes, before Joshua asked for $50 million and before Showtime agreed to put up the $50 million, Finkel tried to get a sense for the value of the fight in the UK by talking to BT and Sky. So?




You don't seem to know what words mean. Breazeale had a contract for an ELIMINATOR on that date. Nobody ever said he had a mandatory title shot for that date. Stiverne got mandatory shot that night.

Finkle talked to BT Sport after Joshua said he wanted 50 Mill. Not before. Finkle and co knew what they were doing with the propaganda. However, when you're consistent with it, it all becomes far too obvious. Even for morons to understand.

I know Breazeal had a fight for an eliminator that night. But that night he got a fight for mandatory against Molina. When it became apparent that the mandatory fight was going to be with someone else, the Whyte fight should have been set for a different date. Molina should never have been in line to fight for mandatory against Breazeal. It should have been Whyte against Breazeal.

Got nothing to say on being wrong about the guarantees?

[WBC WBA IBF]

Finkle talked to BT Sport after Joshua said he wanted 50 Mill. Not before. Finkle and co knew what they were doing with the propaganda. However, when you're consistent with it, it all becomes far too obvious. Even for morons to understand.

The actual contract leaked. It clearly stated Sky got UK rights. We have the evidence. You're just wrong.

I know Breazeal had a fight for an eliminator that night. But that night he got a fight for mandatory against Molina. When it became apparent that the mandatory fight was going to be with someone else, the Whyte fight should have been set for a different date. Molina should never have been in line to fight for mandatory against Breazeal. It should have been Whyte against Breazeal.

There's no such thing as "fight for mandatory." It's called an eliminator silly.

Got nothing to say on being wrong about the guarantees?

I posted numerous credible sources confirming the guarantees were $14 million and $10.25 million. We have the evidence. You're just wrong.

The fact that you think that Fury traveled to the US to fight Wilder on enemy territory for just $3 million is hilarious.

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The actual contract leaked. It clearly stated Sky got UK rights. We have the evidence. You're just wrong.




There's no such thing as "fight for mandatory." It's called an eliminator silly.




I posted numerous credible sources confirming the guarantees were $14 million and $10.25 million. We have the evidence. You're just wrong.

The fact that you think that Fury traveled to the US to fight Wilder on enemy territory for just $3 million is hilarious.

Anyone can write up a contract and put whatever they want on it. Doesn't mean the contract is legit.

There are eliminators, then there are final eliminators which is for the mandatory position. Silly.

You posted links that said the guarantees were as i said they were.

Who said that was their final pay? I didn't say that. But i know how much it was. Fury told everyone how much both got paid.

[WBC WBA IBF]

Anyone can write up a contract and put whatever they want on it. Doesn't mean the contract is legit.

Showtime is owned by a publicly traded company and it would be illegal for Espinoza to post a fake contract.