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  • #31
    Originally posted by 1Eriugenus View Post
    If you say to the great majority of managers & promoters 'there is a fight out there for your boy & the good news is he gets $100k, of which you get 33.33%. The bad news is that medical opinion is clear that your boy should never fight again & if he does he risks ending up in a dense mental fog, like Quarry, like Meldrick, like JuanMa. He will not even be able to tie up his laces or go to the toilet unaided, or recognise his family'. Sad to say 99% of managers & promoters will say 'where do we sign'.
    Boxing is different, this is the only way a lot of guys can provide for their families. It’s a cruel, savage, barbaric sport but everyone who steps into the ring from an amateur fighter like me to a professional understands this is what it is.
    It’s getting better, refs/corners are stopping fights more than before but factually, sadly, if you box you will likely have lasting effects. Also, you dangle 10,15,30% percent of a fighters purse well who’s going to say anything? Eddie Hearn knows dam well what a fighter like Chisora will end up like....the money is more important. Boxing literally might be the most savage industry there is, from a physical and business perspective.
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    • #32
      'Chisora is a warrior, an over achiever. He will fight almost anyone that they put in front of him. The problem is that he doesn't say no and is taking a beating even when he wins. Hopefully he won't have long term effects.'

      So far as I'm aware, there is little or no doubt that Delboy is a human being. He isn't a cow, a wallaby or a crocodile. Will all these beatings have an effect on him? Yes, of course they will. The man has had more wars than Afghanistan & it will catch up over time, it can't not.

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      • #33
        BornBoxingFan

        'Hopefully Derek will never leave in a stretcher and have his entire career earnings lost in 1 hospital stay.'

        Fortunately that won't ever happen because he's British & we have the NHS. Fact remains, Derek is a proud warrior & I would much rather he didn't end hospitalised.

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        • #34
          Chisora has given us a lot of entertaining nights, he fights anyone and always comes to win (unless he's having one of those lazy nights he sometimes had)

          He gets a lot of disrespect and I don't really know why, if you look at the innate talent level you couldn't really gave asked for more than the guy has given.

          If you don't want to watch him vs Pulev don't watch it, it's pretty simple, I'll be watching it because it's a Chisora fight and that means there's a good chance it'll be entertaining.
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          • #35
            Originally posted by 1Eriugenus View Post
            BornBoxingFan

            'Hopefully Derek will never leave in a stretcher and have his entire career earnings lost in 1 hospital stay.'

            Fortunately that won't ever happen because he's British & we have the NHS. Fact remains, Derek is a proud warrior & I would much rather he didn't end hospitalised.
            he has already been hospitalised recently...by a squirrel (seriously)

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            • #36
              Originally posted by arumhaymonhearn View Post

              nahh not really ..

              Chisora will fight anybody . that's commendable in an era where all these top guys are ducking each other
              That’s mainly due to the fact Chisora has no title shot aspiration’s or desires he knows he’s not getting a title shot so losing doesn’t actually effect him other then losing main event headliners at this point .

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              • #37
                Originally posted by richardt View Post
                For a 12 loss heavyweight to continue to get headlines shows a sad state of affairs for the division.
                Chisora has had multiple fight of the year candidates in his career and not long ago . If boxing went solely on how many losses one has no one would be trying to win they would fight cautiously and be trying not to lose . Fighters like Chisora get these events because he’s rarely in a boring fight certainly it will be better then the first fight .

                Posters will moan about it but we all know just about everyone will watch it despite what they claim on here it’s a heavyweight fight at the end of the day .
                Last edited by REDEEMER; 06-26-2022, 05:41 PM.
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                • #38
                  Chisora can get many big fights, I have no doubt about that.

                  But deep down, does Chisora train with the desire and intention to win?

                  When he says he is coming to beat Pulev, is that honestly his only goal?

                  Wladimir Kiltschko used to always say 'Losing is not a option'. And you could sense the complete and utter conviction, when he would state it.

                  With Derek Chisora, I personally don't sense complete conviction behind his intentions at times.

                  It has not always been this way with Chisora, it was pretty much after he left Don Charles and then team Hayemaker 'Did I start to detect this lack of conviction'.

                  That one fight vs Usyk, I think was the turning point. And I think that was a fight, Chisora could of won.

                  Chisora for me was beating Usyk, until he fatigued. Since that Chisora knows there is a market out there for what he offers.

                  He basically said this during the Pulev press conference. People want to see him in wars, getting battered and pushing his opponents.

                  Note: Understand what I am trying to say. Of course Chisora goes into a fight wanting to win, but in his mind he has come to this point where it is not the only option. World Champions, Olympic Champions, do not have this attitude. David Haye never had this attitude, and I think one of the reasons why Chisora left team Hayemaker was maybe because he could not cope with David Haye's intensity. I think if Chisora stayed with Don Charles or David Haye, he may have beaten Joseph Parker.

                  I am not putting down Derek Chisora, this man is a warrior of the highest order. And I think he has near enough maximized his potential. I just think there have been fights, that he could of won with more absolute conviction, if he had absolute laser conviction.

                  If he beats Pulev, many he builds back some momentum. Teams back up with Don Charles or David Haye, and then lands another mega fight.

                  Last edited by PRINCEKOOL; 06-26-2022, 05:42 PM.

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                  • #39
                    NiCk F Boxing is different, this is the only way a lot of guys can provide for their families. It’s a cruel, savage, barbaric sport but everyone who steps into the ring from an amateur fighter like me to a professional understands this is what it is.It’s getting better, refs/corners are stopping fights more than before but factually, sadly, if you box you will likely have lasting effects. Also, you dangle 10,15,30% percent of a fighters purse well who’s going to say anything? Eddie Hearn knows dam well what a fighter like Chisora will end up like....the money is more important. Boxing literally might be the most savage industry there is, from a physical and business perspective.

                    Totally, I understand that. I spend a lot of time thinking that boxing is disgusting, morally degraded & should be banned. Then I watch SRL v Duran 1 or Mayweather v Castillo 1 or Pernell Whitaker v Chavez or Marciano v Walcott 1 or Ali v Frazier 1 & remember just what a wonderful sport it is when you have 2 top guys fighting at their absolute peak. There is a difference though. If I was promoting a really good young fighter like Haney, Tank or Kambosos I'd be totally relaxed about taking any fight, roll em & see how it goes. If a man is ageing & has taken a lot of punishment his management should look out for him, & I don't think Eddie is looking out for Derek.

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                    • #40
                      Chisora is entertaining I won't deny that and he has made for some good fights all jokes aside. I know I go back and forth with a few Brits about him because they like to throw him in the mix like he still is a world title contender or that he's a solid win on the resume of world champions lmao but the truth is he loses all his big fights and he's on his way to getting early dementia if he continues.

                      He's fought in multiple high profile fights how much is Hearn paying him? He can't be struggling for money that bad he needs to reevaluate his career before he gets injured he was getting wobbled by no punch Parker for ****s sake I think even Fres Oquendo would beat him at this point. He might beat some lower tier fighters maybe throw him in there with Dave Allen but he's not going to beat any top 3 guy ever not in the past not in the present not in the future.

                      He was getting beat up by Carlos Takam until he got that nice punch in I knew he was shot and his punch resistance was gone from that point yet he's still going. I will admit I thought he beat Helenius and Whyte the first time, but Whyte turned out to be an even bigger bum who was juiced to the max in their rematch that probably is what ruined Del Boy. Helenius would've been a good win but Helenius turned out to lack in the mental department and had hand issues so he fell off the map for like a decade before recently returning to form against B-level opposition.

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