'Styles Makes Fights' is a False Adage

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  • billeau2
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    #41
    Originally posted by bballchump11

    I'm not going to respond to all of that, but I will reiterate that summing boxing styles into 4 categories is dumb when evaluating the outcomes of fights. Mayweather would school every boxer he faces, but Uncle Roger said that Floyd will struggle vs a taller, rangy boxer like a Vernon Forest.
    It's confusing. This idiot OP has created a straw man. He has deliberately obfuscated the difference between physical attributes and an adage that describes a general way boxing in the ring is conducted.

    Having an advantage in the ring is a little different than having a complimentary or different style versus an opponent. Forest has a rangy southpaw, I think he was southpaw, has certain inherent advantages like reach. Now, it becomes a stylistic issue insofar as how Vernon Forrest chooses a style that emphasizes his attributes. So one would not expect to see forest fighting inside a lot. The reason being he has reach and length as a major advantage and his style should emphasize those attributes. Don't let this idiot confuse you

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    • Tony Trick-Pony
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      #42
      Originally posted by War Room

      They can say styles make fights all they want, the seed has already been planted and nothing is going to change that now =---> the wheels are in motion. With the proper action moving forward, my seeds will sprout into seedlings and over time, posters will bend to my will and speak my words anew. Done it plenty here before and I see my little seedlings speaking the word just like they were destined to.

      Some old crusty writer from 1938 isn't going to change reality on my watch.

      Fighters Make Fights.



      He may have thrown counters, but his overall style was puncher (brawler). Famous modern day counter-puncher style fighters are RJJ, Chris Byrd, Mayweather, JMM.



      You're the one who wants him to dump his mangoo in your mouth though.
      LOL. Well, hey, if you repeat something long enough, it definitely can take off.

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      • War Room
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        #43
        Originally posted by Tony Trick-Pony

        LOL. Well, hey, if you repeat something long enough, it definitely can take off.
        LOL. Well, hey, don't really care, you're a nobody that DKSAB.

        You have 18,857 posts with 755 likes. 4% of people like your content.

        I have 3,821posts with 836 likes. 22% of people l ike my content.

        TL;DR

        You can't hold my jockstrap.

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        • GelfSara
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          #44
          Originally posted by Cypocryphy

          That is one of the BIGGEST misconceptions about Mike Tyson. Tyson was a counter-puncher primarily. Everything was about countering and timing, using pressure, head movement and footwork.
          To use War Room's original four categories of boxers, Mike was a swarmer who became (1989 onward) a slugger; to use the second group of four categories he was a counter-puncher who became a puncher.

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          • billeau2
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            #45
            Originally posted by War Room

            LOL. Well, hey, don't really care, you're a nobody that DKSAB.

            You have 18,857 posts with 755 likes. 4% of people like your content.

            I have 3,821posts with 836 likes. 22% of people l ike my content.

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            You can't hold my jockstrap.
            Originally posted by War Room

            LOL. Well, hey, don't really care, you're a nobody that DKSAB.

            You have 18,857 posts with 755 likes. 4% of people like your content.

            I have 3,821posts with 836 likes. 22% of people l ike my content.

            TL;DR

            You can't hold my jockstrap.
            Originally posted by War Room

            LOL. Well, hey, don't really care, you're a nobody that DKSAB.

            You have 18,857 posts with 755 likes. 4% of people like your content.

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            TL;DR

            You can't hold my jockstrap.
            Originally posted by War Room

            LOL. Well, hey, don't really care, you're a nobody that DKSAB.

            You have 18,857 posts with 755 likes. 4% of people like your content.

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            You can't hold my jockstrap.
            Hey idiot,

            If there is a better "style" one size fits all:
            1. How does one account fr different body types, different psychological types, etc? Let me guess, those are simply attributes that function independently of any style... LOL.

            It is true that fighters tend to use less skills, do less things in the ring, could you be mixing this up with a ridiculous notion regarding style?

            Still waiting for proof that you have regarding the start of this adage. Make that proof of any of your cornball attention seeking BS. Yeah you have lots of alts giving you likes... Big deal.

            Please block me... Spare me.... lol.

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            • Cypocryphy
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              #46
              Originally posted by GelfSara

              To use War Room's original four categories of boxers, Mike was a swarmer who became (1989 onward) a slugger; to use the second group of four categories he was a counter-puncher who became a puncher.
              No. He was a counter-puncher. He appeared to swarm only because he invariably fought bigger, taller boxers. He had to get inside because he couldn't fight on the outside. He definitely was not a brawler. That's ridiculous. I can see why you might call him a swarmer but he wasn't that either. He was a boxer-puncher, focusing on counterpunching.

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              • KillaMane26
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                #47
                Originally posted by billeau2







                Hey idiot,

                If there is a better "style" one size fits all:
                1. How does one account fr different body types, different psychological types, etc? Let me guess, those are simply attributes that function independently of any style... LOL.

                It is true that fighters tend to use less skills, do less things in the ring, could you be mixing this up with a ridiculous notion regarding style?

                Still waiting for proof that you have regarding the start of this adage. Make that proof of any of your cornball attention seeking BS. Yeah you have lots of alts giving you likes... Big deal.

                Please block me... Spare me.... lol.
                Lmaoooo.....

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                • djtmal
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                  #48
                  When someone like JMM that has the ability to switch gears in the middle of a fight, that's not a style, it's a mental skill a fighter has. It's like having an iron beard, that's not a style, it's a physiological component which can be based on a lot of factors.

                  We all know styles make fights and these Floyd boys try to debunk anything that exploits Floyd as a cherrypicker who at welterweight stayed away from anybody 5' 10 or taller with a longer reach that could actually box unless it was a shopworn fighter or a complete bum like Conor McGregor.
                  Last edited by djtmal; 06-27-2022, 12:35 PM.

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                  • jas
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                    #49
                    Fighter A can have certain skillset to exploit Fighter B's weaknesses and that can be the deciding factor in why he beats Fighter B and for same reason fighter C can beat fighter B but fighter A could beat fighter A for same reason

                    So skill levels cant be purely measured on a linear basis and fighters are constantly changing
                    E.g. i think gervonta davis is past his peak and not as hungry anymore and for his optimal style of that aggressive higher output thats gonna be a bigger factor


                    So styles do make fights and the saying does bear true but the categories listed are too broad and the OP is conflating the category issue and the famous adage

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                    • billeau2
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                      #50
                      Originally posted by KillaMane26

                      Lmaoooo.....

                      A little background information: First of all, I NEVER share any PM info from anyone friend, or foe, unless they do so first... Warroom snitch that he is, shared info from PM's when he started threatening to bury me... so I feel no obligation to protect our PM's. Dude straight out tells me he will bury me... then he tells me he will block me. The rtard cannot even get me blocked. At least a troll like barret knows how to block a poster lol.

                      Then he starts all these nonsensical threads... some people reinvent the wheel at every turn (pardon the pun) But Warroom's "wheel" is in the shape of a square. The dude says the most outrageous shiat. Notice how he ignores me... Biatch knows that I spanked that a s s lol.

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