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  • #31
    When Gatti/Ward, Marquez/Vazquez, etc most knew that it might be epic fights.

    Styles do make fights and is why some matches that are not even for a title captures the imagination.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by STREET CLEANER View Post
      When Gatti/Ward, Marquez/Vazquez, etc most knew that it might be epic fights.

      Styles do make fights and is why some matches that are not even for a title captures the imagination.
      Fighters Make Fights.

      Brawler vs Boxer-Puncher, the styles had nothing to do with it with Gatti vs Ward.

      The only reason why Gatti vs Ward was anything besides a beatdown win for Gatti, was Gatti was shot to ribbons. Ward happened to be in the right place at the right time. The Gatti that beat Patterson would have blitzed Ward in 4.

      This isn't even a realistic discussion, tell me Gatti wasn't shot and I'll show you a liar or someone that DKSAB. Gatti was a B+ level fighter and Ward was a C- level fighter. Style did not make those fights. Gatti was shot, facts.

      No trainers or boxers ever said Styles Make Fights until an old fart in 1938 wrote a news article. Thats the facts. There are a handful of styles and to say those styles vs each other make fights is a disservice to the human element.

      Fighters Make Fights

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      • #33
        Man what?? Lol

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        • #34
          Originally posted by War Room View Post

          Fighters Make Fights.

          Brawler vs Boxer-Puncher, the styles had nothing to do with it with Gatti vs Ward.

          The only reason why Gatti vs Ward was anything besides a beatdown win for Gatti, was Gatti was shot to ribbons. Ward happened to be in the right place at the right time. The Gatti that beat Patterson would have blitzed Ward in 4.

          This isn't even a realistic discussion, tell me Gatti wasn't shot and I'll show you a liar or someone that DKSAB. Gatti was a B+ level fighter and Ward was a C- level fighter. Style did not make those fights. Gatti was shot, facts.

          No trainers or boxers ever said Styles Make Fights until an old fart in 1938 wrote a news article. Thats the facts. There are a handful of styles and to say those styles vs each other make fights is a disservice to the human element.

          Fighters Make Fights
          I get where you going but you can't disregard that styles make fights for the most part obviously more goes into that

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          • #35
            Originally posted by War Room View Post

            Fighters Make Fights.

            Brawler vs Boxer-Puncher, the styles had nothing to do with it with Gatti vs Ward.

            The only reason why Gatti vs Ward was anything besides a beatdown win for Gatti, was Gatti was shot to ribbons. Ward happened to be in the right place at the right time. The Gatti that beat Patterson would have blitzed Ward in 4.

            This isn't even a realistic discussion, tell me Gatti wasn't shot and I'll show you a liar or someone that DKSAB. Gatti was a B+ level fighter and Ward was a C- level fighter. Style did not make those fights. Gatti was shot, facts.

            No trainers or boxers ever said Styles Make Fights until an old fart in 1938 wrote a news article. Thats the facts. There are a handful of styles and to say those styles vs each other make fights is a disservice to the human element.

            Fighters Make Fights
            You are very short sited or simply see boxing very different.

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            • #36
              Styles do make fights. The problem is that you can't sum up styles in 4 different categories. The saying is used to explain why triangle theories don't work.

              Reach, height, speed, power, chin, footwork, punch selection, style, stamina, tempo, etc determine the outcome of fights more than just whether a fighter is a swarmer or slugger.

              Amir Khan could struggle with Marcos Maidana because he has a weak ass chin, while Devon Alexander could shut Maidana out despite getting washed vs Khan.

              If you described styles as Unorthodox slugger (Maidana), rangy, in and out, volume, boxer (Khan), and spoiler (Devon Alexander in the Maidana fight), then that'd be better.
              Last edited by bballchump11; 06-25-2022, 09:55 PM.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by KillaMane26 View Post

                I get where you going but you can't disregard that styles make fights for the most part obviously more goes into that
                It's history, linguistics, and science all wrapped up into one. It's crazy how people do what they're told and when the undeniable evidence is presented to them in clear fashion, they still resist. Most people don't even know what everyday words mean. I constantly have to school people what a simple word like opinion means. They really don't know lol. People listen to other people talk and imitate them like chimps. ~13% of Americans have a masters, think about this for a minute.

                Everyone that's spent time with a real boxing trainer that knows his stuff knows there are styles in boxing.

                Being a boxer is a style, being a brawler is a style, certain trainers teach all the styles, some only teach one with bits of the others. These are undeniable facts.

                There is no Floyd Mayweather Style, there is no Aaron Pryor Style. It's mind bobblin that people can't see how retarded they sound when someone says yea man I box, I do that Micky Ward style lmao.

                An old crusty newspaper scribe said something in 1938 and over time it turned into gospel. This is literary scientific phenomenon used in ancient myths & legend where men were turned into dieties or gods, it's the same principle foundation of Euhermization.

                If you say something enough it becomes true, that IS science!

                The illusory truth effect (also known as the illusion of truth effect, validity effect, truth effect, or the reiteration effect) is the tendency to believe false information to be correct after repeated exposure. This phenomenon was first identified in a 1977 study at Villanova University and Temple University.

                Originally posted by bballchump11 View Post
                Styles do make fights. The problem is that you can't sum up styles in 4 different categories.
                Yes you can and that's how it's done. It's always been this way.

                Originally posted by bballchump11 View Post
                The saying is used to explain why triangle theories don't work.
                Triangle theories are completely different and just another word for reasoning in logic. Do you know what logic is? Do you know what reasoning is (deductive, abductive, inductive, etc)? This has no bearing on boxing styles, why you would bring this up makes zero sense.

                Originally posted by bballchump11 View Post
                Reach, height, speed, power, chin, footwork, punch selection, style, stamina, tempo, etc determine the outcome of fights more than just whether a fighter is a swarmer or slugger.
                Exactly, Fighters MAKE Fights, you're getting it now and you don't even know it. Holy shit LMAO!!!

                Originally posted by bballchump11 View Post
                Amir Khan could struggle with Marcos Maidana because he has a weak ass chin, while Devon Alexander could shut Maidana out despite getting washed vs Khan.
                This has nothing to do with styles.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by War Room View Post

                  It's history, linguistics, and science all wrapped up into one. It's crazy how people do what they're told and when the undeniable evidence is presented to them in clear fashion, they still resist. Most people don't even know what everyday words mean. I constantly have to school people what a simple word like opinion means. They really don't know lol. People listen to other people talk and imitate them like chimps. ~13% of Americans have a masters, think about this for a minute.

                  Everyone that's spent time with a real boxing trainer that knows his stuff knows there are styles in boxing.

                  Being a boxer is a style, being a brawler is a style, certain trainers teach all the styles, some only teach one with bits of the others. These are undeniable facts.

                  There is no Floyd Mayweather Style, there is no Aaron Pryor Style. It's mind bobblin that people can't see how retarded they sound when someone says yea man I box, I do that Micky Ward style lmao.

                  An old crusty newspaper scribe said something in 1938 and over time it turned into gospel. This is literary scientific phenomenon used in ancient myths & legend where men were turned into dieties or gods, it's the same principle foundation of Euhermization.

                  If you say something enough it becomes true, that IS science!

                  The illusory truth effect (also known as the illusion of truth effect, validity effect, truth effect, or the reiteration effect) is the tendency to believe false information to be correct after repeated exposure. This phenomenon was first identified in a 1977 study at Villanova University and Temple University.



                  Yes you can and that's how it's done. It's always been this way.



                  Triangle theories are completely different and just another word for reasoning in logic. Do you know what logic is? Do you know what reasoning is (deductive, abductive, inductive, etc)? This has no bearing on boxing styles, why you would bring this up makes zero sense.



                  Exactly, Fighters MAKE Fights, you're getting it now and you don't even know it. Holy shit LMAO!!!



                  This has nothing to do with styles.
                  I'm not going to respond to all of that, but I will reiterate that summing boxing styles into 4 categories is dumb when evaluating the outcomes of fights. Mayweather would school every boxer he faces, but Uncle Roger said that Floyd will struggle vs a taller, rangy boxer like a Vernon Forest.
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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by bballchump11 View Post

                    I'm not going to respond to all of that, but I will reiterate that summing boxing styles into 4 categories is dumb when evaluating the outcomes of fights. Mayweather would school every boxer he faces, but Uncle Roger said that Floyd will struggle vs a taller, rangy boxer like a Vernon Forest.
                    You're being given upper echelon knowledge and you're like, well I'm not going to respond to all of that. Maybe just absorb what you can and keep it moving instead of talking out of the side of your neck.

                    Nobody is insulting you are they so just because you can't wrap your head around some facts, they're dumb?? Real talk, YDKSAB. You're just an observer.

                    Taller and rangier Vernon Forrest is NOT A STYLE. It's a physical advantage. Jesus Christ you people are bottom feeder level intellect.

                    If you actually boxed and had a good trainer, you would know there are styles in boxing and yes they can be reduced at approximately ~4.

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                    • #40
                      Lol,

                      It is the very name essence of a casual fan to deny this adage. Yet here is this casual who is telling people he's discovered splitting the adamant vis-a-vis the equivalent in boxing. Lol. It doesn't get any dumber than this.

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