Comments Thread For: Daily Bread Mailbag: Artur Beterbiev, Canelo, Spence-Crawford, Rodriguez, More

[SteveM]

Nothing wrong with talking welterweights. It's probably the most historically great weight class, along with middleweight and heavyweight.

Inoue's best win is old Nonito Donaire. If he was at 147 he'd have to go through way tougher guys and I seriously doubt he would dominate them.

A welterweight version of prime Chocolatito would fit right in, though.




Thanks, this is my third apearance in the Mailbag. More of you guys should write in, this is one of the cooler features on BoxingScene and we should help support it with a variety of questions and opinions.

Historically great for who? North Americans. Not Filipinos, Japanese, Thais, Indians, Chinese, south Americans, Mexicans.
and in any case, I'd argue most boxing fans = casuals would say heavyweight is more compelling
old donaire was like old Hopkins, still a relevant titleholder at 39 - took a future HOF to derail him. I'd argue that donaires resume in and around 118 is more stellar than Porters at w.w. But Inoue did to Donaire what Spence and Bud were unable to do to Porter at WW and in less rounds.

[ShoulderRoll]

Historically great for who? North Americans. Not Filipinos, Japanese, Thais, Indians, Chinese, south Americans, Mexicans.
and in any case, I'd argue most boxing fans = casuals would say heavyweight is more compelling

Historically great, period.

Elite boxing performaces live on forever regardless of what country you live in.

[SteveM]

Historically great, period.

Elite boxing performaces live on forever regardless of what country you live in.

this is American exceptionalism, thinking the whole world should and does think the same as Americans, it's just not so.

[ShoulderRoll]

this is American exceptionalism, thinking the whole world should and does think the same as Americans, it's just not so.

The history of modern boxing is largely the history of American boxing. We are the ones who set the records and the standards of greatness. Whether the rest of the world likes it or not.

That's not to say other countries can't reach or exceed those standards. Of course they can. In the amateurs maybe they already have.

But I don't believe in ignoring the history or lowering the standards just so others can feel more included.

[Oregonian]

“Dana White said it’s hard to run in the morning when you’re sleeping in silk pajamas”

my goodness how did Bread not correct this person?! It was Marvelous Marvin Hagler that said “it’s tough to get out of bed to do roadwork at 5am when you’ve been sleeping in silk pajamas”

Attributing this quote to Dana White…smh

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I thought the same thing but the guy must be in his twenties to not know that phrase.
The young generation believe so much in their heroes and tend to be dismissive of yesteryear guys.

[billeau2]

Breadman has a thing for 147 weight class. He thinks it's the most competive in the world. So you'll always catch his attention askin bout that.

It's a fallacy though. Most of the world's male population is below 130lbs = nearly all Asia, Latins, some Africans, Europeans and north Americans. So 115 to 135 are the most competive weights at world level.

147 is super competive at n.american level and European.

Choco and Estrada and Inoue should all be respected and praised more than already are.

If choco was at 147 he'd dominate

I could see his point and I can see yours. You're right with respect to the numbers. The most people entering any particular division are definitely at the bottom weights you mentioned. But someone who is up from 147 to around 160 170, they can really do more athletically because of a little bit more size. By the time you get past 150 punches start to really become less and less weight dependent.

So for example while Spence could probably be a cornerback in football, nobody's going to be able to do so at the lower weight classes.

[Oregonian]

The history of modern boxing is largely the history of American boxing. We are the ones who set the records and the standards of greatness. Whether the rest of the world likes it or not.

That's not to say other countries can't reach or exceed those standards. Of course they can. In the amateurs maybe they already have.

But I don't believe in ignoring the history or lowering the standards just so others can feel more included.

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Boxing may have started out here but the world has caught on. It’s not just boxing.
Hollywood used to be the flag bearer of movies. Not anymore. The world has caught up and great movies and shows come from places far removed from Hollywood.
The same was the case with athletics. The world has caught up. If anything, the US seems to lead the world in doping.

This is no longer a bragging debate. Reality is, as much truth as there is in boxing history, there’s truth to the fact that we no longer trail blaze the sport of boxing,

[ShoulderRoll]

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Boxing may have started out here but the world has caught on. It’s not just boxing.
Hollywood used to be the flag bearer of movies. Not anymore. The world has caught up and great movies and shows come from places far removed from Hollywood.
The same was the case with athletics. The world has caught up. If anything, the US seems to lead the world in doping.

This is no longer a bragging debate. Reality is, as much truth as there is in boxing history, there’s truth to the fact that we no longer trail blaze the sport of boxing,

We don't trailblaze it but we are still for the most past the gold standard. No shame in pointing that out.

[1Eriugenus]

Agree with Bread. If you were to take all young men & make them train hard the mean weight for North Americans, Europeans & Russians would probably be somewhere between 130-170lbs. For latin americans it would be a bit lower, say, 120-160. For people from the far east it would be lower still, say 100-140. So, if you did a Venn diagram you'd find that the area where all those means co-incide would be around 135-147 so there are always going to be more great fighters, from all countries, at LW, LWW & WW than any other weight. You don't get a lot of exceptional American fighters, black or white, at Flyweight. You don't get Japanese or Filipino Heavyweights & Mexican heavyweights tend to just be obese.
Hence, when you find a truly exceptional American fighting a truly exceptional fighter from latin america or the Phillipines, it usually is somewhere between 135 to 147.

[Oregonian]

We don't trailblaze it but we are still for the most past the gold standard. No shame in pointing that out.

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Not at all. The US is still the place others can earn their mettle. A lot of them do come here and get exposed. A lot of them.
AJ is best recent example. He washed out in his debut fight in the US.

I thought you were being dismissive about the rest of the world but I do agree.