Comments Thread For: Tyson Fury Not Sure What Deontay Wilder Has Left in The Tank

[REDEEMER]

Wilder was at his best at his lightest and by all accounts (we cannot know for sure) it did not make his power less. If he has to come in around 230 its not the end of the world... Just do not think he should bulk up, worse mistake he could make. Wilder has very quick feet, he needs to maintain that to get to his opponent. It makes him very deadly as a puncher. With his reach if he keeps his foot speed he could be hard to deal with for a while.

Wilder didn’t really step up competition though until 2018 . He was saved by the bell against Ortiz weighing 210 pounds . Weight draining is a real issue for older fighters and he’s 6”7 going on 36 so I’d agree with Bashir here . I’d be really cautious going into a fight with Mahkmudov , Hrgovic or Joyce under 225 those will be really rough pressure fights his legs will go fast like they did with Fury . I bring up those guys because they will be lurking .

Wilder weighing 215 vs a 275 Fury ? Are we really sure he does better ? I think its a sure loss there and you know I created a thread fir that second fight stating Fury would win based on the weigh in and posters laughed it off and Wilder had no chance in that one because of Furys weight gain . .

[Shadoww702]

Whyte didn’t get mugged though like Wilder who only fought a prepared Fury once . You told me you lost a bet on Whyte in rounds so here’s to that I got some satisfaction out of it knowing that .

LMFAO!!!!!

OK.

He did a super good job!!! In ONLY your mind Wyhte beat Fury....

[Shadoww702]

Wilder didn’t really step up competition though until 2018 . He was saved by the bell against Ortiz weighing 210 pounds . Weight draining is a real issue for older fighters and he’s 6”7 going on 36 so I’d agree with Bashir here . I’d be really cautious going into a fight with Mahkmudov , Hrgovic or Joyce under 225 those will be really rough pressure fights his legs will go fast like they did with Fury . I bring up those guys because they will be lurking .

Wilder weighing 215 vs a 275 Fury ? Are we really sure he does better ? I think its a sure loss there and you know I created a thread fir that second fight stating Fury would win based on the weigh in and posters laughed it off and Wilder had no chance in that one because of Furys weight gain . .

Ain't gonna read that dumb sht.

Just letting everyone know u bet with your P@ssy

[Shadoww702]

Wilder didn’t really step up competition though until 2018 . He was saved by the bell against Ortiz weighing 210 pounds . Weight draining is a real issue for older fighters and he’s 6”7 going on 36 so I’d agree with Bashir here . I’d be really cautious going into a fight with Mahkmudov , Hrgovic or Joyce under 225 those will be really rough pressure fights his legs will go fast like they did with Fury . I bring up those guys because they will be lurking .

Wilder weighing 215 vs a 275 Fury ? Are we really sure he does better ? I think its a sure loss there and you know I created a thread fir that second fight stating Fury would win based on the weigh in and posters laughed it off and Wilder had no chance in that one because of Furys weight gain . .

I see a lot of

But but but but but but but but...like 100x MORE

[Shadoww702]

Wilder didn’t really step up competition though until 2018 . He was saved by the bell against Ortiz weighing 210 pounds . Weight draining is a real issue for older fighters and he’s 6”7 going on 36 so I’d agree with Bashir here . I’d be really cautious going into a fight with Mahkmudov , Hrgovic or Joyce under 225 those will be really rough pressure fights his legs will go fast like they did with Fury . I bring up those guys because they will be lurking .

Wilder weighing 215 vs a 275 Fury ? Are we really sure he does better ? I think its a sure loss there and you know I created a thread fir that second fight stating Fury would win based on the weigh in and posters laughed it off and Wilder had no chance in that one because of Furys weight gain . .

U have Fury and Canelo with like 5 losses a piece???

How the *** we respect that?

[Shadoww702]

But, but, but, but,but

This dudes a "but" clown

[billeau2]

Wilder didn’t really step up competition though until 2018 . He was saved by the bell against Ortiz weighing 210 pounds . Weight draining is a real issue for older fighters and he’s 6”7 going on 36 so I’d agree with Bashir here . I’d be really cautious going into a fight with Mahkmudov , Hrgovic or Joyce under 225 those will be really rough pressure fights his legs will go fast like they did with Fury . I bring up those guys because they will be lurking .

Wilder weighing 215 vs a 275 Fury ? Are we really sure he does better ? I think its a sure loss there and you know I created a thread fir that second fight stating Fury would win based on the weigh in and posters laughed it off and Wilder had no chance in that one because of Furys weight gain . .

Wilder's power is based on his speed, including his forward momentum at times. He is not and I don't think ever will be a physical fighter. I liken his style to Martinez and Haye... two guys who were ambush fighters. martinez started late as a euro footballer, and by fighting in an ambush predator style it allowed him to bypass a lot of boxing situations. So instead of trying to gain experience in countering, slipping, etc... the ambush fighter stays away until they want to attack and then they launch. To do this a fighter needs power and reach as assets fundamentally backing superior foot speed. Wilder has these two qualities to such a degree that he can practically take one giant step and be encrouching on the opponent. If I am Wilder, I want to have the speed to get on top of the person, the reach to do so, from what is perceived by the opponent, as being too far away, and the power to drop him with one shot.

So many times people see the hands but it is the feet that do so much. If you look at Wilder's KO's he gets in range so fast that he overwhelms, and even if the guy is going back (because of reach) the guy gets caught flush. This is because of foot speed. less weight will keep him faster on his feet. The difference in weight between Wilder and any opponent, does not concern me, HOWEVER obviously I would not think it wise for him to weight drain. He does not have to drain... Just does not need to bulk up. I think the less he weighs to the point where he retains his power the better for him.

To say that Fury was succesful in his strategy by gaining weight does not contradict Wilder needing to use a strategy that augments his best assets. Fury has different talents entirely... Actually Fury can beat you many ways. But another fallicy: Just because a fighter is better in more categories, does not mean that will matter, if one is successful in the way they win fights. Fury may even have as much power as Wilder when he trains to hit with one punch power... And while Fury can beat you boxing, fighting inside, etc. All that should matter for Wilder is to be fast enough and catch Fury as many times as he can with his right. I use Fury only as an example... The same applies to any fighter Wilder fights against.

[billeau2]

Wilder didn’t really step up competition though until 2018 . He was saved by the bell against Ortiz weighing 210 pounds . Weight draining is a real issue for older fighters and he’s 6”7 going on 36 so I’d agree with Bashir here . I’d be really cautious going into a fight with Mahkmudov , Hrgovic or Joyce under 225 those will be really rough pressure fights his legs will go fast like they did with Fury . I bring up those guys because they will be lurking .

Wilder weighing 215 vs a 275 Fury ? Are we really sure he does better ? I think its a sure loss there and you know I created a thread fir that second fight stating Fury would win based on the weigh in and posters laughed it off and Wilder had no chance in that one because of Furys weight gain . .

Would it be so hard to just admit that Ortiz has/had skills? I know he has gotten older... even against martin I was not sure if he would suddenly age in the ring... it could happen any fight for Ortiz now. But the Ortiz that Wilder fought, to Wilder's credit, was a very good fighter who did a great job. For Wilder to find a way to win those fights speaks to Wilder's ability.

before people said "Wilder only beat an aged Ortiz" but Ortiz has proven himself somewhat... a lot of people thought Martin would take him out. I don't think there should be anything taken away from Wilder... He managed to keep Tito down, and he managed to stay the course against a guy with many skills... It is what it is.

[richardt]

Everyone of those would mop the floor with Wilder. Not even close. Every one of them knocks out Wilder. Even with one hand behind their backs.

Obviously your exaggerations and drama show you can't be objective or serious. You're like a cartoon character.

[Earl-Hickey]

Would it be so hard to just admit that Ortiz has/had skills? I know he has gotten older... even against martin I was not sure if he would suddenly age in the ring... it could happen any fight for Ortiz now. But the Ortiz that Wilder fought, to Wilder's credit, was a very good fighter who did a great job. For Wilder to find a way to win those fights speaks to Wilder's ability.

before people said "Wilder only beat an aged Ortiz" but Ortiz has proven himself somewhat... a lot of people thought Martin would take him out. I don't think there should be anything taken away from Wilder... He managed to keep Tito down, and he managed to stay the course against a guy with many skills... It is what it is.

Ortiz was an OK win (the first time) but for a guy of wilders age who was a champ as long as him to have one good win is kind of pathetic.

Put it this way in 20 years time if we want to go back and watch the classic Wilder fights it will be 3x losses to fury and that's it.

That's not even hate it's just the unfortunate truth when it comes to Wilder. It's also his own fault as Wlad was sounding him out for a fight before the fury fight, and Wilder said no thanks