Why Did Pac Need To Fight JMM So Many Times

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  • just the facts
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    #21
    Originally posted by hugh grant
    Because pac s greater than floyd. 3 razor close, life and death wins if not scorecard error is greater than 1 cheating scales bloated win.
    floyd should have triologied pac in a series of memorable fights.
    Pac of course rematched jm m as he's a true champ who gives fans what they want, that's why he triologied bradley, offered rematch to cotto. Floyd could have learned a thing or 2 and would have been wise to follow suit
    Floyd EASILY beat your hero and your undying man love will never change that.

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      #22
      Originally posted by BodyBagz

      Nope

      Luck didn't pick him up off the canvas 3x in the 1st rd and then go on to give Pac hell for 11 rds.
      If Pac were able to close the show, there wouldn't be a need for 3 more fights.......but Pac couldn't.

      Entertaining fights nonetheless
      Like I said, Marquez was lucky one of the judges scored the first rounds 10-7 instead of 10-6. He was also lucky that some judge gave him a scorecard of 115-110. Scoring it a draw is questionable, let alone having Marquez clearly ahead. I had Manny winning 6 rounds, so with the 3 knockdowns, it wasn't that close to me.

      But regardless of how you scored the first fight, had the judge not messed it up? I honestly doubt we would've seen a fourth fight, assuming the second and third fights go the exact same way. No one would've been wanting a 4th fight if Marquez was 0-3 against Pac.

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        #23
        Originally posted by BodyBagz
        JMM is a favorite of mine due to his tenacity.
        His 1st fight with Pac is legendary.

        Pac bloodied him up, knocked him down, but could never end him.
        JMM earned a draw after being down 10-6 in the 1st round. Many people thought JMM won both rematches.

        The 4th fight was Manny ducking Floyd. He was on record as saying he had nothing more to prove with JMM when JMM wanted a 4th fight.

        Floyd offered him $40 mil no ppv deal. Manny turned it down. Then he made the JMM fight because it was the most lucrative fight for him as the a-side.

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          #24
          Originally posted by just the facts

          Simply put, because they were high quality, money making, easy in house fights to make. Not to mention Pac never had a clear win over JMM.
          True

          One would have assumed #3ATG would have figured out JMM and not need 4 tries.

          Just my take on it.

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            #25
            Originally posted by LeOoze

            Like I said, Marquez was lucky one of the judges scored the first rounds 10-7 instead of 10-6. He was also lucky that some judge gave him a scorecard of 115-110. Scoring it a draw is questionable, let alone having Marquez clearly ahead. I had Manny winning 6 rounds, so with the 3 knockdowns, it wasn't that close to me.

            But regardless of how you scored the first fight, had the judge not messed it up? I honestly doubt we would've seen a fourth fight, assuming the second and third fights go the exact same way. No one would've been wanting a 4th fight if Marquez was 0-3 against Pac.
            Luck ?!?!?

            Most guys would have given up in the 2nd rd.

            Who here can recall the last time a guy got knocked down 3x the same rd and managed to make it a close assed fight ?

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              #26
              Originally posted by The Big Dunn

              JMM earned a draw after being down 10-6 in the 1st round. Many people thought JMM won both rematches.

              The 4th fight was Manny ducking Floyd. He was on record as saying he had nothing more to prove with JMM when JMM wanted a 4th fight.

              Floyd offered him $40 mil no ppv deal. Manny turned it down. Then he made the JMM fight because it was the most lucrative fight for him as the a-side.
              Pac avoided May for as long as his finances could last.
              Inside, Pac was jumping for joy May reached out to him in Miami.

              Pac's greatest financial achievement.
              Just another payday for May.

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                #27
                Originally posted by BodyBagz

                True

                One would have assumed #3ATG would have figured out JMM and not need 4 tries.

                Just my take on it.
                I don’t think there’s many real boxing experts that put Pac top 10 let alone #3.

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                  #28
                  Originally posted by just the facts

                  I don’t think there’s many real boxing experts that put Pac top 10 let alone #3.
                  A certain cult rely on quotes from experts declaring Pac to be #3.
                  Citing Pac's risk taking ( ) to be otherworldly
                  No fighter on Erath has taken so many risks

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                  • Biolink
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                    #29
                    Both were top fighters, but Pac obviously will go down more in history. For me Pac couldn't decisively handle his business decisively with Marquez which is the only reason there was a need for that fight to happen more than 3 times.

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                      #30
                      That’s boxing.

                      SRR and Lamotta fought 6 times. Pep fought Saddler 4 times. And back in the land of no footage, some boxers fought eachother 10+ times.

                      Mayweather needed to rematch only two fighters, Castillo and Maidana and he knew that immediately as he offered immediate rematches to both fighters, publicly in the post fight, and followed through with it. He also ended any talks of who is better in the rematches.

                      Some of his critics felt he should have rematched DLH and Pacquiao. Now I can see why DLH, that WAS actually a close fight imo.

                      Pacquiao fight wasn’t close. Two judges scored it accurately 116-112, 8 rounds to 4. One judge’s 118-110 was wide. Ultimately all judges had Mayweather winning comfortably 8 minimum.

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