Why Did Pac Need To Fight JMM So Many Times

[Blond Beast]

Crowd (over)reaction can make a person think something is going on when there really isn't (aside from obvious big shots).
Just like you mentioned, it's nice when an under dog does better than expected. It amps up his score
Maidana gave off the impression of doing work in there.
In Marco's defense, what else other than bum rushing May could he have done ?
And how much better could May have done without having much power ?

Non May fans I'm sure point to Maidana to support their Margarito nonsense.


Your brother is a Svengali. I'm shocked Fury is a champ right now

Yep, Maidana did the best option possible for him. Floyd tags clean counters, takes nerve to take it to him.
I’ll never forget showing up late to Moseley vs Marg, due to a delay in Chinese takeout compounded with a false start time on the cable schedule. I show up with my girl and my brother turns to me and says “Mosley is ****ing him up!”. He mentioned a plaster of paris scandal pre fight. I managed to see the last round where Marg got chopped down like old growth. To this day we don’t trust what the cable says and check. We call it the “Mosley Initiative.”
We got to see Floyd vs Zab as a family back in the day thankfully. I’d be hard pressed to bet against Floyd vs anyone in history.
Boxing was our first sport we followed as kids. My Opa was an amateur champ in the old country. Our Old man has been following since he was a kid. Nobody gets it right all the time, that’s part of why it’s fun to watch. Sometimes getting it wrong can keep you interested in the sport. My Old is a level above us though. Can almost spoil a fight like Manny Steward did sometimes. The day after Tyson beat Spinks he told me a guy named Evander Holyfield would beat Mike Tyson one day and he stuck to that. Would only take even odd bets at the bar cause he didn’t want to ruin anyones night when they did finally fight. He bought us all the Tyson video games, rented his greatest hits for us etc. He hoped Spinks would have tried to box Mike and stay away, get Mike some rounds. Spinks had beat Holmes who my dad thought was an underrated fighter. Course Spinks said he wasent afraid of Mikes power in the locker room and my dad knew that was a bad omen. Course he didn’t want it to last only 89secs after paying to see it closed circuit.

[ELPacman]

I followed these two extensively as you can imagine with my name. I created this account prior to Pac facing Marquez 1. I've followed all the story and know all the finer details.

The first fight was amazing, yet Pac hardly trained for it and it showed. From looking masterful against Barrera, he looked very basic against Marquez in the first fight trying to just KO him early and getting him out. Basically disrespecting Marquez as Pac's plan was to go through Mexico's finest (Barrera, Marquez, Morales) in under a year's time. He already took out Barrera and Marquez was supposed to be easy and then to the kingpin Morales. We know how the Marquez fight played out.

In came the much demanded rematch which I thought was excellent and again close. Though the knockdown Pac scored probably sealed that win, yet it was close again.

Their 3rd fight I thought truly Marquez deserved the nod and when Pac was announced the winner, even that didn't settle well with me.

The demand was huge again since it felt like each fight was too close and now that the 3rd felt almost like a robbery, Pac said, Okay, "F" it, let's do it again, this time I'm going to KO this guy to finish this rivalry. Little did he know, Marquez had the same idea since he felt he couldn't win decisions against Pac. Listen, I hate to call someone on juice when all the allegations were thrown at Pac, but I truly feel Marquez was on something in that 4th fight. He was his oldest of the quadrilogy and was more muscular and ripped than ever before, not to mention acne on his back. Pac came out aggressive and Marquez answered him with heavy shots. All a sudden, a right hand that Pac ate in the past was able to put him down. I immediately suspected something was up because Pac was able to eat those blows in the past. Not to mention Marquez wasn't all that super strong at WW. Then of course, the crazy KO which happened, Pac more than likely being reckless and ****** out of excitement of hurting Marquez and the rest is history.

Now anyone that knows someone on juice knows, they're body falls apart when they get off it. Marquez's body started to fall apart all over the place. He had a few more fights after Pac4 but injuries plagued him. Meanwhile Pac continued his career into his 40s and was even dominant still (Thurman fight at 39 I believe).

Not trying to start up another huge whaaaaaat, no way kind of convo but thought I'd let people know the history since again, I've followed Pac's career extensively since becoming a fan after the Barrera 1 thrashing.

[LeOoze]

There probably wouldn’t be a quadrology if the judge in the first fight didn’t make that error. Imo Marquez was lucky.

[clmags12]

JMM is a favorite of mine due to his tenacity.
His 1st fight with Pac is legendary.

Pac bloodied him up, knocked him down, but could never end him.

Look at you bags! You're coming full circle!

The more research the more appreciative you become of Manny! LOL!

[Nash out]

I followed these two extensively as you can imagine with my name. I created this account prior to Pac facing Marquez 1. I've followed all the story and know all the finer details.

The first fight was amazing, yet Pac hardly trained for it and it showed. From looking masterful against Barrera, he looked very basic against Marquez in the first fight trying to just KO him early and getting him out. Basically disrespecting Marquez as Pac's plan was to go through Mexico's finest (Barrera, Marquez, Morales) in under a year's time. He already took out Barrera and Marquez was supposed to be easy and then to the kingpin Morales. We know how the Marquez fight played out.

In came the much demanded rematch which I thought was excellent and again close. Though the knockdown Pac scored probably sealed that win, yet it was close again.

Their 3rd fight I thought truly Marquez deserved the nod and when Pac was announced the winner, even that didn't settle well with me.

The demand was huge again since it felt like each fight was too close and now that the 3rd felt almost like a robbery, Pac said, Okay, "F" it, let's do it again, this time I'm going to KO this guy to finish this rivalry. Little did he know, Marquez had the same idea since he felt he couldn't win decisions against Pac. Listen, I hate to call someone on juice when all the allegations were thrown at Pac, but I truly feel Marquez was on something in that 4th fight. He was his oldest of the quadrilogy and was more muscular and ripped than ever before, not to mention acne on his back. Pac came out aggressive and Marquez answered him with heavy shots. All a sudden, a right hand that Pac ate in the past was able to put him down. I immediately suspected something was up because Pac was able to eat those blows in the past. Not to mention Marquez wasn't all that super strong at WW. Then of course, the crazy KO which happened, Pac more than likely being reckless and ****** out of excitement of hurting Marquez and the rest is history.

Now anyone that knows someone on juice knows, they're body falls apart when they get off it. Marquez's body started to fall apart all over the place. He had a few more fights after Pac4 but injuries plagued him. Meanwhile Pac continued his career into his 40s and was even dominant still (Thurman fight at 39 I believe).

Not trying to start up another huge whaaaaaat, no way kind of convo but thought I'd let people know the history since again, I've followed Pac's career extensively since becoming a fan after the Barrera 1 thrashing.

The 3rd fight score was a disgrace. I had it 117-111 Marquez, could see 116-112 at a push, but clear, clear, winner. The first two, couldn't argue either way on them. And the 4th was awesome as well, looked like Pac was heading towards a KO win himself, then all of a sudden lights out.

I think the reason so many fights we because 1st one a draw, which kind of leads to a rematch, 2nd one razor thin great fight, so only 1-1-0, then 3rd one, nearly everyone to my knowledge had Marquez a clear winner, and I think even with Pac, he must have known, and wanted to erase doubts with a 4th. It was good to see Marquez get that official win though, as he did win the 3rd without a doubt at the very least of the first 3. Nash out.

[ELPacman]

The 3rd fight score was a disgrace. I had it 117-111 Marquez, could see 116-112 at a push, but clear, clear, winner. The first two, couldn't argue either way on them. And the 4th was awesome as well, looked like Pac was heading towards a KO win himself, then all of a sudden lights out.

I think the reason so many fights we because 1st one a draw, which kind of leads to a rematch, 2nd one razor thin great fight, so only 1-1-0, then 3rd one, nearly everyone to my knowledge had Marquez a clear winner, and I think even with Pac, he must have known, and wanted to erase doubts with a 4th. It was good to see Marquez get that official win though, as he did win the 3rd without a doubt at the very least of the first 3. Nash out.

I think about that too. Marquez kept getting the losing end of the straw on the decisions against Pac that he deserved the KO win in the 4th fight. I just think he wasn't his "normal" self to get it and that doesn't sit well with me. I get it, you're mad you can't get a decision against Pac, but to the point that you take an alternate route? That just means Pac would probably UD you forever and unless you get some kind of assistance, you could never make it clear enough to UD Pac. Though again, Marquez did clearly win the 3rd fight so it is unfortunate the ****** refs gave it to Pac. I was honestly disgusted by that outcome. I never watched that fight after the initial viewing because I felt it was so wrong in the decision.

[GhostofDempsey]

If the first fight is scored properly, and Marquez is deducted that additional point for the third knockdown in round one, Manny wins it. Maybe one rematch afterwards and it is done at two.

[BodyBagz]

There probably wouldn’t be a quadrology if the judge in the first fight didn’t make that error. Imo Marquez was lucky.

Nope

Luck didn't pick him up off the canvas 3x in the 1st rd and then go on to give Pac hell for 11 rds.
If Pac were able to close the show, there wouldn't be a need for 3 more fights.......but Pac couldn't.

Entertaining fights nonetheless

[Blond Beast]

I followed these two extensively as you can imagine with my name. I created this account prior to Pac facing Marquez 1. I've followed all the story and know all the finer details.

The first fight was amazing, yet Pac hardly trained for it and it showed. From looking masterful against Barrera, he looked very basic against Marquez in the first fight trying to just KO him early and getting him out. Basically disrespecting Marquez as Pac's plan was to go through Mexico's finest (Barrera, Marquez, Morales) in under a year's time. He already took out Barrera and Marquez was supposed to be easy and then to the kingpin Morales. We know how the Marquez fight played out.

In came the much demanded rematch which I thought was excellent and again close. Though the knockdown Pac scored probably sealed that win, yet it was close again.

Their 3rd fight I thought truly Marquez deserved the nod and when Pac was announced the winner, even that didn't settle well with me.

The demand was huge again since it felt like each fight was too close and now that the 3rd felt almost like a robbery, Pac said, Okay, "F" it, let's do it again, this time I'm going to KO this guy to finish this rivalry. Little did he know, Marquez had the same idea since he felt he couldn't win decisions against Pac. Listen, I hate to call someone on juice when all the allegations were thrown at Pac, but I truly feel Marquez was on something in that 4th fight. He was his oldest of the quadrilogy and was more muscular and ripped than ever before, not to mention acne on his back. Pac came out aggressive and Marquez answered him with heavy shots. All a sudden, a right hand that Pac ate in the past was able to put him down. I immediately suspected something was up because Pac was able to eat those blows in the past. Not to mention Marquez wasn't all that super strong at WW. Then of course, the crazy KO which happened, Pac more than likely being reckless and ****** out of excitement of hurting Marquez and the rest is history.

Now anyone that knows someone on juice knows, they're body falls apart when they get off it. Marquez's body started to fall apart all over the place. He had a few more fights after Pac4 but injuries plagued him. Meanwhile Pac continued his career into his 40s and was even dominant still (Thurman fight at 39 I believe).

Not trying to start up another huge whaaaaaat, no way kind of convo but thought I'd let people know the history since again, I've followed Pac's career extensively since becoming a fan after the Barrera 1 thrashing.

I’m with you on the second fight with the KD being the difference. Also I thought JMM had won the third fight. Felt bad for him.
I also admit to having practical knowledge of all the steroid drugs. I think people who haven’t taken them are the ones that advocate that they make all difference. Nobody can be a champ just from taking roids. Still I believe when you take a legit top level guy with skill and put them on gear they will achieve the most from It. Just like they make the most from everything else they do.
I think JMM was on gear for the fourth fight just based on the difference of his physique. Course he used to lift rocks, eat Quail eggs and drink his own piss in his previous camps. Not sure if he claimed to change things up for that fourth fight.
Honestly I think the biggest giveaway is when you start seeing fighters post random “most muscular pose” pictures of themselves prior to a fight. They just can’t help showing it off. Anyone who knows the scene knows there is some truth to that.

[just the facts]

JMM is a favorite of mine due to his tenacity.
His 1st fight with Pac is legendary.

Pac bloodied him up, knocked him down, but could never end him.

Simply put, because they were high quality, money making, easy in house fights to make. Not to mention Pac never had a clear win over JMM.